'The Griffith... So close to greatness, it hurts'
Discussion
One of my best days of the year is the first start
of the Griffith after winter storage.
Soon followed by a spirited blast on lovely country
roads almost with tears in my eyes.
This car is so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then I am always reminded on the famous words once
in a car magazine:
'The Griffith... So close to greatness, it hurts'
20 years later and it still is so true.
I cant imagine any better than a well sorted Griffith.
It has all a real classic needs and it seems everybody knew it from
the beginning, amazing.
So fellow Griffitheers,
go out and thumbly enjoy your fine piece of machinery.
of the Griffith after winter storage.
Soon followed by a spirited blast on lovely country
roads almost with tears in my eyes.
This car is so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then I am always reminded on the famous words once
in a car magazine:
'The Griffith... So close to greatness, it hurts'
20 years later and it still is so true.
I cant imagine any better than a well sorted Griffith.
It has all a real classic needs and it seems everybody knew it from
the beginning, amazing.
So fellow Griffitheers,
go out and thumbly enjoy your fine piece of machinery.
eff eff said:
Yeah right................................................not
Now you're just being silly - head in the sand. Overheating - dealt with
Styling - dealt with
High speed handling - dealt with
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets
Or in other words it was a griff that had been the subject of.... More development.
ETA -seriously - get real - you love your car, I love mine, fair enough, but the griff had a compromised radiator position, questionable high speed aero/lift issues, marmite styling and was far outsold by the chimp, which addressed each issue, to some extent at least. Be objective will you !
Aside from those detail changes, they are the same car anyway ffs !
And you were so pleased with the grief as standardyou ripped out the engine and stuck in an LS3
Hope you've up specced the coilovers, brakes and driveshafts btw
Edited by Jammy Dodger on Thursday 5th April 22:29
TV8 said:
Does the Griff only work in British summer time? Why wait till now?
????? Most Tivs are summer cars, and lots of people who won't even take them out on the wet. I think Griff owners are certainly now worse than .....................................Chimp owners. Having had a Stag I would of thought you'd be happy it started!!!FFG
FlipFlopGriff said:
????? Most Tivs are summer cars, and lots of people who won't even take them out on the wet. I think Griff owners are certainly now worse than .....................................Chimp owners. Having had a Stag I would of thought you'd be happy it started!!!
FFG
lolFFG
Daz (siliconekid) observes frequently that (some) Griefers are taking anal retentive to a new level
my roof is down all year btw (well it would be if I'd seen the car since last august)
Jammy Dodger said:
Now you're just being silly - head in the sand.
Overheating - dealt with
Styling - dealt with
High speed handling - dealt with
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets
Or in other words it was a griff that had been the subject of.... More development.
ETA -seriously - get real - you love your car, I love mine, fair enough, but the griff had a compromised radiator position, questionable high speed aero/lift issues, marmite styling and was far outsold by the chimp, which addressed each issue, to some extent at least. Be objective will you !
Aside from those detail changes, they are the same car anyway ffs !
And you were so pleased with the grief as standardyou ripped out the engine and stuck in an LS3
Hope you've up specced the coilovers, brakes and driveshafts btw
Very well put JD, it's all true Overheating - dealt with
Styling - dealt with
High speed handling - dealt with
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets
Or in other words it was a griff that had been the subject of.... More development.
ETA -seriously - get real - you love your car, I love mine, fair enough, but the griff had a compromised radiator position, questionable high speed aero/lift issues, marmite styling and was far outsold by the chimp, which addressed each issue, to some extent at least. Be objective will you !
Aside from those detail changes, they are the same car anyway ffs !
And you were so pleased with the grief as standardyou ripped out the engine and stuck in an LS3
Hope you've up specced the coilovers, brakes and driveshafts btw
Edited by Jammy Dodger on Thursday 5th April 22:29
Problem is the Griff will always be worth more.
Why?
Because it has iconic status, somehow its found it's way into the public psyche.
The Chimaera delivers a better real world package, but the Griff has the exclusivity.
I went with Chimaera because I prefer the styling, I always wanted one, and they are significantly better value for money than a Griff.
Like you say, they are at the end of the day, essentially the same car.
ChimpanLucky said:
Problem is the Griff will always be worth more.
Why?
Because it has iconic status, somehow its found it's way into the public psyche.
yep - i get that. I'm hopeful that in time people will cotton on.Why?
Because it has iconic status, somehow its found it's way into the public psyche.
Two examples - Firstly the Jensen Interceptor. Proper money these days for a good one. To think in 1993 (at 23years old, as a daily driver) i bought an Interceptor III 7.2/440ci, 3 owners, history, really good unrestored condition, for £5k ! I only owned it a few months (7mpg) but what a hoot it was. And sold for a 30% profit, even better.
More relevant example: 70s 911s. For a looooooong time it was only the RS models that people really desired. The "vanilla" models hovered in the £8k to £12k range on average. Different story now. Of course the RSs are now stratospheric money, but the point is that the lower powered, higher sales volumes models are no longer overlooked. And whereas performance-wise the griff and chim are evenly matched, the RS Porsches were in a different league from the lowly models, so there's more reason for the premium on RS.
Griffs and chims are essentially the same car. The Griff has higher cult status, granted, but the chim, as a development of the griff (with cerbesque styling) was the better car. In time the "market" will get wise to it and at very least the value differential will likely narrow.
Some good examples there JD.
History is our best teacher, & history consistently tells prices are driven by nostalgia.
Nostalgia is all BS of course, people seeking an emotion centred around the belief that things were better and life was easier back in the day.
But people will always pay a premium in the pursuit of that emotion.
Objects that stimulate nostalgia are often objects that captured the public's imagination when current.
In my opinion a TVR is just such an object, and the mid nineties were glory years for TVR.
At the time Griffiths & Chimaeras were being seen as an avant guard alternative to Porches as the 80's Yuppie image and all their trappings became very very unfashionable.
It got to the point that even the general non petrol head public knew what a TVR was (& the sound it made).
I am left in no doubt those Griffs & Chims are indeed UK cultural icons of the 90's, as such both Griffs & Chims are undoubtedly destined to appreciate.
Nostalgic objects & wine have similarities, choose correctly, look after it correctly & you've just got to wait a few years for it to mature.
History is our best teacher, & history consistently tells prices are driven by nostalgia.
Nostalgia is all BS of course, people seeking an emotion centred around the belief that things were better and life was easier back in the day.
But people will always pay a premium in the pursuit of that emotion.
Objects that stimulate nostalgia are often objects that captured the public's imagination when current.
In my opinion a TVR is just such an object, and the mid nineties were glory years for TVR.
At the time Griffiths & Chimaeras were being seen as an avant guard alternative to Porches as the 80's Yuppie image and all their trappings became very very unfashionable.
It got to the point that even the general non petrol head public knew what a TVR was (& the sound it made).
I am left in no doubt those Griffs & Chims are indeed UK cultural icons of the 90's, as such both Griffs & Chims are undoubtedly destined to appreciate.
Nostalgic objects & wine have similarities, choose correctly, look after it correctly & you've just got to wait a few years for it to mature.
ChimpanLucky said:
Some good examples there JD.
History is our best teacher, & history consistently tells prices are driven by nostalgia.
Nostalgia is all BS of course, people seeking an emotion centred around the belief that things were better and life was easier back in the day.
But people will always pay a premium in the pursuit of that emotion.
Objects that stimulate nostalgia are often objects that captured the public's imagination when current.
In my opinion a TVR is just such an object, and the mid nineties were glory years for TVR.
At the time Griffiths & Chimaeras were being seen as an avant guard alternative to Porches as the 80's Yuppie image and all their trappings became very very unfashionable.
It got to the point that even the general non petrol head public knew what a TVR was (& the sound it made).
I am left in no doubt those Griffs & Chims are indeed UK cultural icons of the 90's, as such both Griffs & Chims are undoubtedly destined to appreciate.
Nostalgic objects & wine have similarities, choose correctly, look after it correctly & you've just got to wait a few years for it to mature.
I forgot to mention another parallel : The T Cars. History is our best teacher, & history consistently tells prices are driven by nostalgia.
Nostalgia is all BS of course, people seeking an emotion centred around the belief that things were better and life was easier back in the day.
But people will always pay a premium in the pursuit of that emotion.
Objects that stimulate nostalgia are often objects that captured the public's imagination when current.
In my opinion a TVR is just such an object, and the mid nineties were glory years for TVR.
At the time Griffiths & Chimaeras were being seen as an avant guard alternative to Porches as the 80's Yuppie image and all their trappings became very very unfashionable.
It got to the point that even the general non petrol head public knew what a TVR was (& the sound it made).
I am left in no doubt those Griffs & Chims are indeed UK cultural icons of the 90's, as such both Griffs & Chims are undoubtedly destined to appreciate.
Nostalgic objects & wine have similarities, choose correctly, look after it correctly & you've just got to wait a few years for it to mature.
Sags are better than the other T cars, specifically handling. But the differential between T350s and Sags is now so great that people are questioning it. And T350 prices appear to be increasing as a result.
There are a number of T car / Sagaris threads in this vein.
As for Tamoras ? Buy one, now ! Incredible value, won't last forever...
ChimpanLucky said:
Some good examples there JD.
History is our best teacher, & history consistently tells prices are driven by nostalgia.
Nostalgia is all BS of course, people seeking an emotion centred around the belief that things were better and life was easier back in the day.
But people will always pay a premium in the pursuit of that emotion.
Objects that stimulate nostalgia are often objects that captured the public's imagination when current.
In my opinion a TVR is just such an object, and the mid nineties were glory years for TVR.
At the time Griffiths & Chimaeras were being seen as an avant guard alternative to Porches as the 80's Yuppie image and all their trappings became very very unfashionable.
It got to the point that even the general non petrol head public knew what a TVR was (& the sound it made).
I am left in no doubt those Griffs & Chims are indeed UK cultural icons of the 90's, as such both Griffs & Chims are undoubtedly destined to appreciate.
Nostalgic objects & wine have similarities, choose correctly, look after it correctly & you've just got to wait a few years for it to mature.
Good words there Chinpanlucky, we may all banter about Chim and Griff owners, but at the end of the day they were both great icons of their era, that is why we own and cherish them now. For me it is the styling and V8 sound!! I always get comments from people of all age groups - enough said. History is our best teacher, & history consistently tells prices are driven by nostalgia.
Nostalgia is all BS of course, people seeking an emotion centred around the belief that things were better and life was easier back in the day.
But people will always pay a premium in the pursuit of that emotion.
Objects that stimulate nostalgia are often objects that captured the public's imagination when current.
In my opinion a TVR is just such an object, and the mid nineties were glory years for TVR.
At the time Griffiths & Chimaeras were being seen as an avant guard alternative to Porches as the 80's Yuppie image and all their trappings became very very unfashionable.
It got to the point that even the general non petrol head public knew what a TVR was (& the sound it made).
I am left in no doubt those Griffs & Chims are indeed UK cultural icons of the 90's, as such both Griffs & Chims are undoubtedly destined to appreciate.
Nostalgic objects & wine have similarities, choose correctly, look after it correctly & you've just got to wait a few years for it to mature.
Jammy Dodger said:
Now you're just being silly - head in the sand.
Overheating - dealt with
Styling - dealt with
High speed handling - dealt with
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets
Or in other words it was a griff that had been the subject of.... More development.
ETA -seriously - get real - you love your car, I love mine, fair enough, but the griff had a compromised radiator position, questionable high speed aero/lift issues, marmite styling and was far outsold by the chimp, which addressed each issue, to some extent at least. Be objective will you !
Aside from those detail changes, they are the same car anyway ffs !
And you were so pleased with the grief as standardyou ripped out the engine and stuck in an LS3
Hope you've up specced the coilovers, brakes and driveshafts btw
Head in sand? That's a great comment coming from a chimp owner, especially one that owns the model of Chim that looks more like a Griffith than any other with its faired in headlights.Overheating - dealt with
Styling - dealt with
High speed handling - dealt with
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets
Or in other words it was a griff that had been the subject of.... More development.
ETA -seriously - get real - you love your car, I love mine, fair enough, but the griff had a compromised radiator position, questionable high speed aero/lift issues, marmite styling and was far outsold by the chimp, which addressed each issue, to some extent at least. Be objective will you !
Aside from those detail changes, they are the same car anyway ffs !
And you were so pleased with the grief as standardyou ripped out the engine and stuck in an LS3
Hope you've up specced the coilovers, brakes and driveshafts btw
Lets deal with your points.
Overheating - dealt with. Also on the Griffith when they opened up the front end on the 500.
Styling - dealt with. Yes softened and MG'fied from the smooth classic shape of the original.
High speed handling - dealt with. No issues with high speed lift or anything on my car
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets. Yep they voted with their wallets because when new Chimaera had smaller, cheaper engine otions which made teh car some £5k cheaper than teh Griffith. Once the 500 Chimaera appeared (and cost the same) the sales figures were more or less the same.
I didn't notice TVR doing an SE run of Chimaeras. Obviously no demand.
Also you criticise him for swapping out the engine, yours isn't exactly standard is it.....?
Also if the Chimaera is so great why can I still pick a reasonable one up for £6-£8K when the Griffith is long gone past the £10- £12K mark for a decent one?
Sounds like the people are talking with their wallets to me.
V8 GRF said:
Head in sand? That's a great comment coming from a chimp owner, especially one that owns the model of Chim that looks more like a Griffith than any other with its faired in headlights.
Lets deal with your points.
Overheating - dealt with. Also on the Griffith when they opened up the front end on the 500.
Styling - dealt with. Yes softened and MG'fied from the smooth classic shape of the original.
High speed handling - dealt with. No issues with high speed lift or anything on my car
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets. Yep they voted with their wallets because when new Chimaera had smaller, cheaper engine otions which made teh car some £5k cheaper than teh Griffith. Once the 500 Chimaera appeared (and cost the same) the sales figures were more or less the same.
I didn't notice TVR doing an SE run of Chimaeras. Obviously no demand.
Also you criticise him for swapping out the engine, yours isn't exactly standard is it.....?
Also if the Chimaera is so great why can I still pick a reasonable one up for £6-£8K when the Griffith is long gone past the £10- £12K mark for a decent one?
Sounds like the people are talking with their wallets to me.
Morning Dave ! Lets deal with your points.
Overheating - dealt with. Also on the Griffith when they opened up the front end on the 500.
Styling - dealt with. Yes softened and MG'fied from the smooth classic shape of the original.
High speed handling - dealt with. No issues with high speed lift or anything on my car
Sales figures ? The people voted with their wallets. Yep they voted with their wallets because when new Chimaera had smaller, cheaper engine otions which made teh car some £5k cheaper than teh Griffith. Once the 500 Chimaera appeared (and cost the same) the sales figures were more or less the same.
I didn't notice TVR doing an SE run of Chimaeras. Obviously no demand.
Also you criticise him for swapping out the engine, yours isn't exactly standard is it.....?
Also if the Chimaera is so great why can I still pick a reasonable one up for £6-£8K when the Griffith is long gone past the £10- £12K mark for a decent one?
Sounds like the people are talking with their wallets to me.
You've (slightly) misunderstood where I was coming from. I inferred from Eff Eff's terse response that he did not consider the chimp in any way a development of the griff.
Now, I concede you know a great deal more about it than I, but I do feel it's fair to say the chimp WAS a development of the Griff, even if only in the sense of lessons learned carried forward to a later model.
My other statements (and the improvements I've made to my car) were in context of the personal opinion that neither model was sorted from the outset, whereas a number of griff owners appear to eulogise their standard cars, blind to the warts.
As for
overheating: Opening up the 500 might have improved cooling, but a chim style vented bonnet appears to be an accepted modification..
styling: I don't ever hear people relating Cerberas to MGs. Chim and Cerb styling is the parallel.
high speed handling: I mean well into 3 figures. Plenty of anecdotal evidence, or should I say opinion? I haven't enough direct experience to argue the point further.
Sales figures: The fact that 500 sales figures were broadly equal, according to you, argues in my favour more than it does yours. Besides, I'm not convinced that a £5k difference would affect a buyer's model choice to any great degree. We're talking about buyers who could afford to buy them as 2nd/3rd cars after all. £10k difference ? Possibly.
SE Edition: You make a fair point, but consider that the chim MK III (to which my lights refer) wasn't a million miles away in concept. Plus we're talking about a snapshot in time when Limited Edition marketing was a booming contrivance, the public as yet unaware of how cynical it might become (in general, not specifically TVR)
Values: Exactly - I believe the gap will narrow before long. The Griff isn't 30% different from a chimaera, let alone 30% "better" , so I feel market perception will likely change.
As i've said before, banter aside, I would have and would continue to consider either - interchangeable - if/whenever in the market. It's the Griefers who look down their noses.
Why are you in a grump today ? Couldn't get the targa panel in the boot with the bank holiday luggage ?
Not in a grump. 
Just fed up of continually reading BS about VERY similar cars (apart from the styling).
The Chim wasn't really a 'development' of the Griffith apart from the styling as you've already pointed out they're effectively the same car underneath, yes there where lessons learnt and continuous development is a feature of all cars although it seems TVR struggled with the concept more than others. Indeed if you want to argue the toss the Griffith500 was an even further development of the Chimaera as it was released subsequent to the majority of the Chimaera models with the Chimaera500 being all but a Griff, especially from the front.
With regards to the price differential £5k was a significant difference in the '90s and more than equates to the £10k you mention now. People seem to forget that these cars are over twenty years old in concept and things have moved on both in technical terms and financial. Take house prices for example in 1995 the 'average' house price was just over £50k compare that with todays £166K and you'll realise that a £5k differential was probably even more than the £10k you suggest.
I fail to see how parity in prices re-inforces your arguement.
Chim owners always crow on about how their car outsold the Griff by 3 to 1 but when there was a parity in prices the sales figure were the same so in other words once there was no benefit or preference to buying a Chim as they sold in more or less equal numbers. Which suggests to me if there had been parity then they'd have sold in equal numbers.
I can personally confirm that stability on real roads into the high three figures is fine, I'll say no more about that.
My roof panel fits rather nicely into my boot thankyou and I, along with many other Griffith owners have packed plenty of camping gear and indeed 'black tie event' standard luggage for two and champagne into the boot (with the roof in) it's just a matter of logical packing. Anyway I also have a split roof so even fewer issues now
Banter aside I genuinely think a lot Chimaera owners seem to have an inferiority complex as you'll notice that 99% of the time the sniping is started by you guys and it also seems to be taken much more seriously by Chimaera owner. We Griffith owners don't look down our noses we're just comfortable in the knowledge that we made the right choice.
Just fed up of continually reading BS about VERY similar cars (apart from the styling).
The Chim wasn't really a 'development' of the Griffith apart from the styling as you've already pointed out they're effectively the same car underneath, yes there where lessons learnt and continuous development is a feature of all cars although it seems TVR struggled with the concept more than others. Indeed if you want to argue the toss the Griffith500 was an even further development of the Chimaera as it was released subsequent to the majority of the Chimaera models with the Chimaera500 being all but a Griff, especially from the front.
With regards to the price differential £5k was a significant difference in the '90s and more than equates to the £10k you mention now. People seem to forget that these cars are over twenty years old in concept and things have moved on both in technical terms and financial. Take house prices for example in 1995 the 'average' house price was just over £50k compare that with todays £166K and you'll realise that a £5k differential was probably even more than the £10k you suggest.
I fail to see how parity in prices re-inforces your arguement.
Chim owners always crow on about how their car outsold the Griff by 3 to 1 but when there was a parity in prices the sales figure were the same so in other words once there was no benefit or preference to buying a Chim as they sold in more or less equal numbers. Which suggests to me if there had been parity then they'd have sold in equal numbers.I can personally confirm that stability on real roads into the high three figures is fine, I'll say no more about that.
My roof panel fits rather nicely into my boot thankyou and I, along with many other Griffith owners have packed plenty of camping gear and indeed 'black tie event' standard luggage for two and champagne into the boot (with the roof in) it's just a matter of logical packing. Anyway I also have a split roof so even fewer issues now
Banter aside I genuinely think a lot Chimaera owners seem to have an inferiority complex as you'll notice that 99% of the time the sniping is started by you guys and it also seems to be taken much more seriously by Chimaera owner. We Griffith owners don't look down our noses we're just comfortable in the knowledge that we made the right choice.
V8 GRF said:
Not in a grump.
Just fed up of continually reading BS about VERY similar cars (apart from the styling).
The Chim wasn't really a 'development' of the Griffith apart from the styling as you've already pointed out they're effectively the same car underneath, yes there where lessons learnt and continuous development is a feature of all cars although it seems TVR struggled with the concept more than others. Indeed if you want to argue the toss the Griffith500 was an even further development of the Chimaera as it was released subsequent to the majority of the Chimaera models with the Chimaera500 being all but a Griff, especially from the front.
With regards to the price differential £5k was a significant difference in the '90s and more than equates to the £10k you mention now. People seem to forget that these cars are over twenty years old in concept and things have moved on both in technical terms and financial. Take house prices for example in 1995 the 'average' house price was just over £50k compare that with todays £166K and you'll realise that a £5k differential was probably even more than the £10k you suggest.
I fail to see how parity in prices re-inforces your arguement. Chim owners always crow on about how their car outsold the Griff by 3 to 1 but when there was a parity in prices the sales figure were the same so in other words once there was no benefit or preference to buying a Chim as they sold in more or less equal numbers. Which suggests to me if there had been parity then they'd have sold in equal numbers.
I can personally confirm that stability on real roads into the high three figures is fine, I'll say no more about that.
My roof panel fits rather nicely into my boot thankyou and I, along with many other Griffith owners have packed plenty of camping gear and indeed 'black tie event' standard luggage for two and champagne into the boot (with the roof in) it's just a matter of logical packing. Anyway I also have a split roof so even fewer issues now
Banter aside I genuinely think a lot Chimaera owners seem to have an inferiority complex as you'll notice that 99% of the time the sniping is started by you guys and it also seems to be taken much more seriously by Chimaera owner. We Griffith owners don't look down our noses we're just comfortable in the knowledge that we made the right choice.
not sure I want to know about the "camping" gear Griff owners might carry Just fed up of continually reading BS about VERY similar cars (apart from the styling).
The Chim wasn't really a 'development' of the Griffith apart from the styling as you've already pointed out they're effectively the same car underneath, yes there where lessons learnt and continuous development is a feature of all cars although it seems TVR struggled with the concept more than others. Indeed if you want to argue the toss the Griffith500 was an even further development of the Chimaera as it was released subsequent to the majority of the Chimaera models with the Chimaera500 being all but a Griff, especially from the front.
With regards to the price differential £5k was a significant difference in the '90s and more than equates to the £10k you mention now. People seem to forget that these cars are over twenty years old in concept and things have moved on both in technical terms and financial. Take house prices for example in 1995 the 'average' house price was just over £50k compare that with todays £166K and you'll realise that a £5k differential was probably even more than the £10k you suggest.
I fail to see how parity in prices re-inforces your arguement.
Chim owners always crow on about how their car outsold the Griff by 3 to 1 but when there was a parity in prices the sales figure were the same so in other words once there was no benefit or preference to buying a Chim as they sold in more or less equal numbers. Which suggests to me if there had been parity then they'd have sold in equal numbers.I can personally confirm that stability on real roads into the high three figures is fine, I'll say no more about that.
My roof panel fits rather nicely into my boot thankyou and I, along with many other Griffith owners have packed plenty of camping gear and indeed 'black tie event' standard luggage for two and champagne into the boot (with the roof in) it's just a matter of logical packing. Anyway I also have a split roof so even fewer issues now
Banter aside I genuinely think a lot Chimaera owners seem to have an inferiority complex as you'll notice that 99% of the time the sniping is started by you guys and it also seems to be taken much more seriously by Chimaera owner. We Griffith owners don't look down our noses we're just comfortable in the knowledge that we made the right choice.
It's funny, but in the chimaera camp (:sigh: that word again) consensus is we do it to wind up the over-sensitive Griefers, yet you retort chimpers have a collective inferiority complex.. it's all been a big misunderstanding obviously.
I for one would've been equally happy with either. In fact, if the flip flop yellow (white pearl) 98 Griff 500 that Hilton & Moss stocked (may still have), with 24000 miles (allegedly), been right when I HPI'd it, I would be driving it and not the imperial blue chimp 500 i bought instead.
I rejected that white griff, after investigation, when it was in the Autotrader at £15,xxx, offered privately by the recorded keeper - Mr Danny Mullane - before it ended up at H&M for £22k (i'd guess a £9k margin there )
There's something not right about that car. Recorded full colour change - H&M deny, but comes up on HPI, still got the report - disappeared for 5 years (long term storage apparently), bitty service history, owner bought it off a mate who bought it off a mate etc. Said 3 owners when in fact 4. Smelled a big rat. 24000 miles my arse.
As such I like to think I'm pretty neutral on Griff vs Chim, if not that white one !
Edited by Jammy Dodger on Friday 6th April 13:09
Griffithy said:
I cant imagine any better than a well sorted Griffith.
It has all a real classic needs and it seems everybody knew it from
the beginning, amazing.
So true, I want another, and I've just this week paid off my 3yr loan on my Loti, I always view the Griff and Elise classifieds PH pages first, need a Griff now as a stable mate It has all a real classic needs and it seems everybody knew it from
the beginning, amazing.
FlipFlopGriff said:
TV8 said:
Does the Griff only work in British summer time? Why wait till now?
????? Most Tivs are summer cars, and lots of people who won't even take them out on the wet. I think Griff owners are certainly now worse than .....................................Chimp owners. Having had a Stag I would of thought you'd be happy it started!!!FFG
The Stag was fantastic and very reliable. I did 1000 miles in it in one day last winter. roof down until the onset of mild hypothermia in the middle of the night.
All old cars are a lot better for being used.
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