gp's is there any point?
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Just pondering this, ear infection... nurse sorted.. swollen glands..... nurse sorted, dad had abdominal pain.... go to hospital they will sort out ...., labour pains ... "dunno go to hospital'... sickness and diarrhoea 'better go to the hospital'
It just seems to me that anything the nurse can't sort, the hospital will ! Is there any point making an appointment for a gp at all? after all you know you will be sitting in a hospital waiting room for 4 hours after AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH completely sick of it !
ps aside from the s
t food the nhs has done my family proud (sort of !)
It just seems to me that anything the nurse can't sort, the hospital will ! Is there any point making an appointment for a gp at all? after all you know you will be sitting in a hospital waiting room for 4 hours after AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH completely sick of it !
ps aside from the s
t food the nhs has done my family proud (sort of !)
I haven't seen a doctor at my surgery for ages. It's always the Nurse Practitioner.
They have degrees and are well trained so generally I'm ok with seeing them but they still have limits. I did put my foot down last year re: my sons recurring ear infections, eventually I insisted on seeing a doctor preferably with paedeatric experience. I did and he was referrd to ENT. The dr was quite off with me initially until she saw his notes (and realised I wasn't completely ignorant re: medical knowledge) and was quite cross with some of the tx he had recieved!!
I was then asked, by the receptionist, if I wanted it noted that I didn't want to see NP's again, I said no not at all but I would like to be able to request a Dr occasionally without being made to feel I was being difficult!!
They have degrees and are well trained so generally I'm ok with seeing them but they still have limits. I did put my foot down last year re: my sons recurring ear infections, eventually I insisted on seeing a doctor preferably with paedeatric experience. I did and he was referrd to ENT. The dr was quite off with me initially until she saw his notes (and realised I wasn't completely ignorant re: medical knowledge) and was quite cross with some of the tx he had recieved!!
I was then asked, by the receptionist, if I wanted it noted that I didn't want to see NP's again, I said no not at all but I would like to be able to request a Dr occasionally without being made to feel I was being difficult!!
the way I see it, the docs surgery should be full of nurses (who actually practice medicine) and docs at the hospital (who actually diagnose things, instead of palming us off) I guess it's a bk covering thing ! How can you be sued when you tell people to go to hospital or see the nurse?
k covering thing ! How can you be sued when you tell people to go to hospital or see the nurse?My GP has changed to a booking system where you can only book same day appointments, and have to ring from 8:30am in the morning. I tried twice this week and it was like ringing to get a table at the Fat Duck.
How people who are in a normal job and can't be flexible are expected to take days off at a time to get and go to appointments I don't know.
Piss boiling.
How people who are in a normal job and can't be flexible are expected to take days off at a time to get and go to appointments I don't know.
Piss boiling.
My GP was a shining example of all that was good in medicine.
A paragon of virtue in fact. An absolute gem.
Always available, never late with appointments, always delightful, charming and quite outstanding as a medical practitioner.
Self effacing, non judgmental just the nicest, well mannered individual, I have known.
He qualified as a Surgeon, transferred to Obstetrics and Gynecology, became interested in Anaesthetics and qualified as an Anaesthtist. Then decided he need more patient contact and became a GP.
His knowledge of pharmacology was encyclopedic, whatever obscure disease I could find to ask questions about, the compete answer was available by just asking him the question. I tried that for twenty years never caught him out once. What is more he never ever turned a hair or failed to answer.
Utterly remarkable charming man.
The staff in his practice (Senior Partner: he would be) worshiped the ground he trod on as did his patients including, as you will see from this thread, me.
I suffered all sorts of permanent Disability, Heart problems, Diabetes, circulatory disorders and a variety of other maladies all caused by living an impossible lifestyle and refusing to accept the need to change.
His consistent efforts to make me face the consequences of mu lifestyle made me admit the mistake and I have undoubtedly lived at least ten years beyond the point that I would have died at, entirely as a result of his efforts.
Sadly, for me and his patients, he reached retirement age at Christmas and retired to eulogies and thanks from literally thousands of patients, staff and colleagues.
Two matters impressed me above all others.
Firstly I met dozens of patients over the years who held even stronger beliefs in his ability and qualities, and secondly his colleagues in the medical profession has such a huge regard for him. Consultant after consultant that I saw, up and down the country, upon hearing his name would say, Ah! you are one on HIS patients. That was impressive.
I am now in the process of finding another practice.
Once I knew my GP was retiring I decided to live full time in Devon rather than the Midlands. He was that good.
Finding a replacement is not proving easy.
Just good luck IMO.
There are GP's who are quite brilliant.
As I found to my lasting advantage over twenty years.
A paragon of virtue in fact. An absolute gem.
Always available, never late with appointments, always delightful, charming and quite outstanding as a medical practitioner.
Self effacing, non judgmental just the nicest, well mannered individual, I have known.
He qualified as a Surgeon, transferred to Obstetrics and Gynecology, became interested in Anaesthetics and qualified as an Anaesthtist. Then decided he need more patient contact and became a GP.
His knowledge of pharmacology was encyclopedic, whatever obscure disease I could find to ask questions about, the compete answer was available by just asking him the question. I tried that for twenty years never caught him out once. What is more he never ever turned a hair or failed to answer.
Utterly remarkable charming man.
The staff in his practice (Senior Partner: he would be) worshiped the ground he trod on as did his patients including, as you will see from this thread, me.
I suffered all sorts of permanent Disability, Heart problems, Diabetes, circulatory disorders and a variety of other maladies all caused by living an impossible lifestyle and refusing to accept the need to change.
His consistent efforts to make me face the consequences of mu lifestyle made me admit the mistake and I have undoubtedly lived at least ten years beyond the point that I would have died at, entirely as a result of his efforts.
Sadly, for me and his patients, he reached retirement age at Christmas and retired to eulogies and thanks from literally thousands of patients, staff and colleagues.
Two matters impressed me above all others.
Firstly I met dozens of patients over the years who held even stronger beliefs in his ability and qualities, and secondly his colleagues in the medical profession has such a huge regard for him. Consultant after consultant that I saw, up and down the country, upon hearing his name would say, Ah! you are one on HIS patients. That was impressive.
I am now in the process of finding another practice.
Once I knew my GP was retiring I decided to live full time in Devon rather than the Midlands. He was that good.
Finding a replacement is not proving easy.
Just good luck IMO.
There are GP's who are quite brilliant.
As I found to my lasting advantage over twenty years.
crackthatoff said:
dave_s13 said:
If everyone bypassed the GP and went to the nurse or direct to a&e what would happen?
gp's would be out of a job and the tax payer would save millions cause that is what happens anyway !I say that as someone who dislikes GPs, too.
The problem is that these days the whole concept of 'general' practice is different; you either have something that can be dealt with quickly and easily or you go to a specialist. Having moved location a few times, my experience says only ca. 50% of GPs are any good, and as they're increasingly the gatekeepers to someone who knows what they're doing, this is an issue. Some GPs are, I agree, superb. Too few IMO, and they do tend to be the old school ones who are now retired.
456mgt said:
Some GPs are, I agree, superb. Too few IMO, and they do tend to be the old school ones who are now retired.
You're right, there are a few good GPs, though I'd say the 'old school' ones are the worst. So often you meet a GP who is stuck in the dark ages, totally unprepared to move with the times.crackthatoff said:
dave_s13 said:
If everyone bypassed the GP and went to the nurse or direct to a&e what would happen?
gp's would be out of a job and the tax payer would save millions cause that is what happens anyway !
In my experience, nurse practitioners .... is there any point. I will never see one ever again.
Pulse said:
456mgt said:
Some GPs are, I agree, superb. Too few IMO, and they do tend to be the old school ones who are now retired.
You're right, there are a few good GPs, though I'd say the 'old school' ones are the worst. So often you meet a GP who is stuck in the dark ages, totally unprepared to move with the times.My father was a GP among other things during his career and he was trined to use his initiative rather than go through a form making sure he has asked all of the right questions. The old school method of training intelligent people to actually use their intelligence rather then follow a consult procedure is just better.
I have health issues at the moment . Can I get to see a Gp ? No .
Made an appointment , on the day only , and managed to get an appointment . The doctor was shocked at the state I was in and sent me to a&e .
Thorough check over there and I need to wait for a letter to see my Gp. Can I get to see the Gp ? Can I feck
Made an appointment , on the day only , and managed to get an appointment . The doctor was shocked at the state I was in and sent me to a&e .
Thorough check over there and I need to wait for a letter to see my Gp. Can I get to see the Gp ? Can I feck
jas xjr said:
I have health issues at the moment . Can I get to see a Gp ? No .
Made an appointment , on the day only , and managed to get an appointment . The doctor was shocked at the state I was in and sent me to a&e .
Thorough check over there and I need to wait for a letter to see my Gp. Can I get to see the Gp ? Can I feck
sack it and go straight to hospital next time will save both you and the gp time !Made an appointment , on the day only , and managed to get an appointment . The doctor was shocked at the state I was in and sent me to a&e .
Thorough check over there and I need to wait for a letter to see my Gp. Can I get to see the Gp ? Can I feck
I really dont have a downer for local docs, just really really don't see the point as everything this year between me, my mrs and m daughter always ends up with a nurse or in hospital
R300will said:
Pulse said:
456mgt said:
Some GPs are, I agree, superb. Too few IMO, and they do tend to be the old school ones who are now retired.
You're right, there are a few good GPs, though I'd say the 'old school' ones are the worst. So often you meet a GP who is stuck in the dark ages, totally unprepared to move with the times.My father was a GP among other things during his career and he was trined to use his initiative rather than go through a form making sure he has asked all of the right questions. The old school method of training intelligent people to actually use their intelligence rather then follow a consult procedure is just better.
crackthatoff said:
sack it and go straight to hospital next time will save both you and the gp time !
I really dont have a downer for local docs, just really really don't see the point as everything this year between me, my mrs and m daughter always ends up with a nurse or in hospital
I think in that sort of case, I'd call NHS Direct (or 111 if you have it active in your area). You then have the chance to bypass the GP in some instances.I really dont have a downer for local docs, just really really don't see the point as everything this year between me, my mrs and m daughter always ends up with a nurse or in hospital
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