A question about top fuel cars?
A question about top fuel cars?
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Shotgun Micky

Original Poster:

16 posts

170 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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a question that is intrigueing me if anyone can help, just before a top fuel car goes into stage the engine note changes and goes quieter, I've seen a helmet cam vid on youtube and the driver pulls a lever on his left hand side that appears to cause this change.
can anyone enlighten me as to what this is for?

anonymous-user

75 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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It's the second of the two fuel pumps being turned on.

Shotgun Micky

Original Poster:

16 posts

170 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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Why would that make it quieter though? surely more fuel would make it louder?

Burndown

732 posts

187 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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The increase in fuel volume reduces RPM of the motor.

Darkpino

23 posts

182 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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actually i the fact that the driver gets his foot of the clutch makes the RPM drop i guess smile

in pre stage the clutch is still disengaged, you can also hear it when they're backing up from the burnout. When the car starts moving you hear the engine note change, thats when the driver engages the clutch, after that he disengages it again to keep the heat out of the clutch.

anonymous-user

75 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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As mentioned earlier, it's the extra fuel volume that alters the engine note of a fuel motor once they're in pre-stage and the second pump gets switched on. There's a similar change in note with a A Fuel alcohol dragster too, they don't add a fuel pump, but they up the fuel pressure in pre-stage.

Burndown

732 posts

187 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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There is no increase in air (butterfly still closed) so the mixture is rich relative to before. The rich mixture drops the rpm.

I don't think the fuel pump is switched on as such as they are manual pumps but the flow from the pump is diverted to the motor rather than the fuel tank.

Darkpino

23 posts

182 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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I understand and i know that, but the clutch also starts dragging down the engines RPM...

it's a bit of both

Burndown

732 posts

187 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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Darkpino said:
actually i the fact that the driver gets his foot of the clutch makes the RPM drop i guess smile

in pre stage the clutch is still disengaged, you can also hear it when they're backing up from the burnout. When the car starts moving you hear the engine note change, thats when the driver engages the clutch, after that he disengages it again to keep the heat out of the clutch.
How do you back up from the burnout with your clutch disengaged?

Darkpino

23 posts

182 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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Like i said. Take a youtube movie and listen to the engine note. When it stands still, then when it starts moving. You hear the engine note change till it moves and then it changes again to the normal engine note...

I know in this case what i'm talking about :P

Some teams you see pushing the car into the water box, thats also to keep the heat out of the clutch..

Burndown

732 posts

187 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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Darkpino said:
Like i said. Take a youtube movie and listen to the engine note. When it stands still, then when it starts moving. You hear the engine note change till it moves and then it changes again to the normal engine note...

I know in this case what i'm talking about :P

Some teams you see pushing the car into the water box, thats also to keep the heat out of the clutch..
The original question was about engine note in pre stage and stage, not during the pass.

Darkpino

23 posts

182 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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I wasn't talking about the pass either.

When in prestage the drivers pulls the fuel to the high side, a top fuel engine has 2 fuel pumps and before the pass both pumps are working only for 50%.

Then when he pulls the fuel to the high side he also gets his foot of the clutch pedal and puts it somewhere secure (his foot).

So thats what changes the engine note, the engine gets more fuel and the clutch starts dragging which makes the RPM drop...

Burndown

732 posts

187 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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Darkpino said:
I wasn't talking about the pass either.

When in prestage the drivers pulls the fuel to the high side, a top fuel engine has 2 fuel pumps and before the pass both pumps are working only for 50%.

Then when he pulls the fuel to the high side he also gets his foot of the clutch pedal and puts it somewhere secure (his foot).

So thats what changes the engine note, the engine gets more fuel and the clutch starts dragging which makes the RPM drop...
I see, thanks for the explanation.

Darkpino

23 posts

182 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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No problem sir smile just try to give an accurate answer.

MajorLucky

177 posts

185 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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i always love this video demonstration of Top Fuel flow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTbQuhhluY

think of 8x that much fuel pulling the rpm down

Shotgun Micky

Original Poster:

16 posts

170 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Thanks for the info guys, that's definitely answered my question and makes sense the engine note changing with extra fuel and the clutch engaged. When I get home i'll post the you tube clip I was watching as the driver is almost constantly adjusting the fuel seemingly with a lower fuel pressure at startup right up to full pressure just before launch.
Thanks again :-)

jagminivan

30 posts

172 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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I know in this case what i'm talking about :P


He should do, his dad is previous top fuel champion Lex Joon! ;-)

Tet

1,196 posts

225 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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jagminivan said:
He should do, his dad is previous top fuel champion Lex Joon! ;-)
Who the fk's that, then? Sorry, couldn't resist :-)

Shotgun Micky

Original Poster:

16 posts

170 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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this was the vid I was watching, I now understand more of what is going on, thanks guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb2vf_ZYFMo

jagminivan

30 posts

172 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Tet said:
Who the fk's that, then? Sorry, couldn't resist :-)
Lol ,still have the shirt ;-)