Not the greatest of days
Not the greatest of days
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Zoobeef

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6,004 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Settled down this evening to do the fuel pump wiring mod.
Started with having a quick look round the engine bay to make sure everything was tickityboo.
Looked at the rear manifold and saw this

Stuck a pointy thing in and yes the stud had sheered of and wasnt just missing.
So carried on looking round the rest and noticed the front upper turbo heat shield had broken where it fixes to the head. So need to make up a little ally bracket for that.
Looked under the heat shield to see the delights of the front manafold. This was what i was treated to


It has cracked the whole way along one of the welds.

So whats my best course of action? To replace the front manafold?
Wheres best to get the parts I need and what sort of price am i looking at?
Guessing i need:
Front manafold
2 sets of manafold gaskets
2 sets of manafold studs and bolts

Anything else other than some spare time in my busy schedule of house buying at the minute haha!

Cheers
Mark

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Welcome to the Noble house of pain !!!

New manifolds £450+vat each gaskets studds ect £100 should cover it , Dave at Jetstream should have everything you need .

Getting the broken studd out could be fun !!!!

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Buy the stainless ones and save yourself a whole load of repeated pain again next year...

anotherdom

535 posts

197 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Mark,

They all do that - well at least the standard manifolds do. Apparently the latest Noble ones are decent, the Alunox once are 321 grade stainless, there are other options. Don't be tempted to try a weld repair. Replacement is easier if you can get the car up and drop the floor; I did mine on the drive on axle stands. Head gaskets can often be reused, many recommend the Nissan turbo gaskets as an improvement but they are expensive. Jetstream use a standard single layer stainless gasket and that is what I have fitted.

Dom.

Lakelord

1,756 posts

233 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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As Tux says, all too common a fault I'm afraid. You have a few options depending on your budget with the cheapest option being having them rewelded and gusseted; buy new ones (which will eventually crack too) or if you have some very deep pockets, go for the alunox ones.


Zoobeef

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6,004 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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I recall reading about the new standard ones now being better. bearing in mind these have been on 7 years if another standard one lasted 7 years again i'd be happy. Are they better though and will they last the length of a piece of string?

What would the deal be with giving them to a metalsmith to repair. Whats the reason for cracking, weak metal? If so, could they repair and make it stronger?

I'm hoping the rear one doesnt need replacing aswell and it'll just be a case of replacing the studs. Think ill get an expert in to do that bit as i hate drilling studs haha.

On the other hand the fuel pump mod was satisfyingly simple

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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is the car std or modded ?

what sort of mileage ?

do you know the afr it runs under boost ?

Zoobeef

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6,004 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Its standard bar a vagatune exhaust. Done about 25k miles. Not sure on AFR

TuxMan

9,011 posts

267 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Hi mate , sorry to say it but there is a good chance the back one is knackered as well :-(( sorry
The new Noble manifolds are very very good and for the cost cannot be beaten !!!

anotherdom

535 posts

197 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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A decent metallurgist will be able to explain the effect of rewelding an already heat-affected zone far better than I. Your average garage welder will just take your money and run a bead over the cracks. Experience (and metallurgy) says this will not last!

Zoobeef

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6,004 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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I think i'll try and get my eyes on the rear manifold properly tomorrow to see if that was has cracked aswell. That way i know what i need to order.

May have to put off from doing the job untill ive moved into my new house though.
First trackdays not untill July so have plenty of time on that front although the MOT is in May, guessing the crack and stud missing will effect the emissions quite a bit :/

Blu3R

2,380 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Zoobeef said:
the MOT is in May, guessing the crack and stud missing will effect the emissions quite a bit :/
Ironically my car sailed through emissions last year with both manifolds cracked and it's now due again so I'll let you know if you don't find out sooner.
I wouldn't suggest using the car now that you've established there are cracks present as the risk of bits breaking off and destroying your turbos is quite possible. I'm just playing with fire really. Stainless replacements hopefully on the way very soon.

Zoobeef

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6,004 posts

187 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Well, i have one of those cameras where you have the screen and camera and lights are on the end of a snake.

Rear one is cracked aswell. Looks like ill be putting my body up for sale. Not sure if i should wait till my house move is finished this month :/

leylandracer

187 posts

244 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Doesnt Noble Motorsport sell high flow stainless manifolds?

wessexrfc

4,326 posts

215 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Zoobeef, know how you feel as we are in the middle of our move, currently living in Mother-in-laws flat. Pregnant Wife, three year old, myself and dog in a one bed flat yikes

I would give James a call @ South West Lotus Centre, see that he can do on the manifolds, 01566 784 152, quite sure he will give you the best price for the latest Noble manifolds, seen them and they look very good!!! HTH and BOL with the move smile

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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West Tuning have a mod where a kind of finger plate is welded over the manifold to strengthen it

not heard of any failures when this mod is done

should be a lot cheaper too

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Gadgeroonie said:
West Tuning have a mod where a kind of finger plate is welded over the manifold to strengthen it

not heard of any failures when this mod is done

should be a lot cheaper too
What like the M400 ones.....

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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not seen any m400 ones - do they crack too ?

daddysumo

2,545 posts

242 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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Gadgeroonie said:
not seen any m400 ones - do they crack too ?
yep the M400 are done that way.... and yes they do...

Zoobeef

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6,004 posts

187 months

Wednesday 11th April 2012
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ive seen the plates that get welded on before but didnt think the were a permanent fix?
Also, are they put on before cracking as a precaution or after as a fix?