Computer Says No - Mortgage
Computer Says No - Mortgage
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Bullett

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11,132 posts

208 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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We have been looking at moving, rates are low we have good stable jobs. Now is the time.

Found a nice place to buy and have an offer on the table for our place. Worst case scenario is we have around 100k to invest in the new property and are looking in the upper £400k pricing. So looking to borrow £375-400k, ideally I'd like a 75% LTV for the better rates.
We are both higher rate tax paye.

We can't borrow more than 350k it looks like as anything more is "unaffordable" according to the lending criteria. That is less than £2k a month, affordable on a single salary and less than 25% of take home. We don't have any other debt apart from a few K on Credit cards, all cars are paid for and no other outstanding loans. Only other major expense is childcare at £1500pm.

This is before any credit scoring has been done.

Any recommendations on brokers who can help and don't have a one size fits all computer model but actually look at the figures? I have no idea how anyone is buying anything more than a starter home with these lending rates.

busmonk

21 posts

168 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Consulting pays well eh smile

Bullett

Original Poster:

11,132 posts

208 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Cashflow mostly, wife has been off on maternity twice in the last 3 years with the sprogs and she was not the most careful with her money. The card stuff is interest free. No more kids now so we won't have any more gaping holes in the income.

It's not my business unfortunately I'm PAYE as is the Mrs.

Sarnie

8,317 posts

233 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Bullett said:
We have been looking at moving, rates are low we have good stable jobs. Now is the time.

Found a nice place to buy and have an offer on the table for our place. Worst case scenario is we have around 100k to invest in the new property and are looking in the upper £400k pricing. So looking to borrow £375-400k, ideally I'd like a 75% LTV for the better rates.
We are both higher rate tax paye.

We can't borrow more than 350k it looks like as anything more is "unaffordable" according to the lending criteria. That is less than £2k a month, affordable on a single salary and less than 25% of take home. We don't have any other debt apart from a few K on Credit cards, all cars are paid for and no other outstanding loans. Only other major expense is childcare at £1500pm.

This is before any credit scoring has been done.

Any recommendations on brokers who can help and don't have a one size fits all computer model but actually look at the figures? I have no idea how anyone is buying anything more than a starter home with these lending rates.
You have mail smile

dalenorth

930 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Affordability calculations differ from lender to lender, you really need to speak with a broker, who is up to date with the lenders.

I have just sorted a new mortgage with a lender whos criteria was more favourable to my position.

PM if you want my brokers details.

alock

4,486 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Bullett said:
I have no idea how anyone is buying anything more than a starter home with these lending rates.
I've seen many people complaining it's hard to get credit at the moment. I'm currently in the process of buying a new house and have seen the exact opposite to you. Getting credit couldn't have been easier but then it's all about what category you fall into.

My details are:
1) Full time PAYE for 13 years with just one change of job.
2) Paid off my previous 25 year mortgage in 12 years with 40% over payments every month.
3) 45% LTV and that's with us releasing some equity to spend on the new house. With a new valuation once the work has been done it should be about 35% LTV.
4) Less than 3 times income multiple.

Fixed with Nationwide at 3.89% for 5 years. We got in just in time because the same product is now 4.29%.

fandango_c

1,986 posts

210 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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swerni said:
anonymous said:
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Hang on he said higher rate tax payer.

That would mean they would have a combined income greater than £300k wink
The higher income tax rate is still 40%.
There is an "additional rate" for taxable income above 150k. wink

Bullett

Original Poster:

11,132 posts

208 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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I mean 40%, forgot about the upper rate as unfortunately I don't earn over £150k.

fido

18,481 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Maybe i've missed something, but i wouldn't expect any lender to >80% LTV, regardless of income especially in the current climate. Taking into account Stamp Duty and Other Costs (assume this isn't being paid out of savings) that's going to make high-400s a bit tricky. E.g. A 425k house costs about 445k and with a 100k deposit is already 77% LTV.

Edited by fido on Tuesday 17th April 21:41

fandango_c

1,986 posts

210 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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swerni said:
fandango_c said:
The higher income tax rate is still 40%.
There is an "additional rate" for taxable income above 150k. wink
which logically would make 50% the higher rate tax (soon to be 45%) and the 40% the middle rate tax
smile
It would be if the government was logical....

There is a marginal income tax rate of 60% on some income below 150k. Perhaps that should be the higher tax rate! smile

Bullett

Original Poster:

11,132 posts

208 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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400k would be max to borrow with just over 100k deposit and we have a SDLT and fees slush fund of around 20k on top of that.
It certainly won't be over 80% LTV, closer to 75%.

Sarnie

8,317 posts

233 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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fido said:
Maybe i've missed something, but i wouldn't expect any lender to >80% LTV, regardless of income especially in the current climate.
Edited by fido on Tuesday 17th April 21:41
Are you really saying that you wouldn't expect any lender to borrow above 80% in the current climate?

Even though there are High Street lenders doing 95%......

eliot

11,988 posts

278 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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you need to loose the childcare fees.

Chipper

1,540 posts

241 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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alock said:
I've seen many people complaining it's hard to get credit at the moment. I'm currently in the process of buying a new house and have seen the exact opposite to you. Getting credit couldn't have been easier but then it's all about what category you fall into.

My details are:
1) Full time PAYE for 13 years with just one change of job.
2) Paid off my previous 25 year mortgage in 12 years with 40% over payments every month.
3) 45% LTV and that's with us releasing some equity to spend on the new house. With a new valuation once the work has been done it should be about 35% LTV.
4) Less than 3 times income multiple.

Fixed with Nationwide at 3.89% for 5 years. We got in just in time because the same product is now 4.29%.
I've just fixed with RBS at 3.79% for five years with the ability to overpay 10% of mortgage each year. I was with nationwide previously but their restriction to overpay was bloody frustrating.

raptor600

1,356 posts

170 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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eliot said:
you need to loose the childcare fees.
OR keep paying them so your child grows up to know the difference between lose and loose wink

alock

4,486 posts

235 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Chipper said:
I've just fixed with RBS at 3.79% for five years with the ability to overpay 10% of mortgage each year. I was with nationwide previously but their restriction to overpay was bloody frustrating.
We looked at that but with fees of £999 it has an effective rate of 4.2%. The nationwide only had fees of £99 so an effective rate of 4.1%.

The nationwide restriction on overpayments is annoying but then we're going to be spending all our money on the house for the next few years.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Sarnie said:
fido said:
Maybe i've missed something, but i wouldn't expect any lender to >80% LTV, regardless of income especially in the current climate.
Edited by fido on Tuesday 17th April 21:41
Are you really saying that you wouldn't expect any lender to borrow above 80% in the current climate?

Even though there are High Street lenders doing 95%......
Your profile says you're a mortgage broker yet you just wrote that. My head's exploded! wink

eliot

11,988 posts

278 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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raptor600 said:
eliot said:
you need to loose the childcare fees.
OR keep paying them so your child grows up to know the difference between lose and loose wink
Gah!

Sarnie

8,317 posts

233 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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sebdangerfield said:
Your profile says you're a mortgage broker yet you just wrote that. My head's exploded! wink
Why has your head exploded? wink

raptor600

1,356 posts

170 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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eliot said:
raptor600 said:
eliot said:
you need to loose the childcare fees.
OR keep paying them so your child grows up to know the difference between lose and loose wink
Gah!
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