Speed Awareness Course - effect on insurance
Speed Awareness Course - effect on insurance
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S7Paul

Original Poster:

2,103 posts

265 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Hi,

My wife has just received her first NIP after 18+ years driving, clocked at 35 in a 30 zone. It looks like she'll be offered the chance of a Speed Awareness Course instead of getting the fine + points, but if she does the course do we need to advise her insurer?

I've seen plenty of internet opinion that says the insurer doesn't need to know, but technically she has committed an offence, so I guess it depends on whether or not she is classed as having been convicted (as that's the question the insurance companies ask - "any convictions in the last 5 years?").

Any advice would be appreciated.

Ganglandboss

8,563 posts

234 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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When I did mine, the course provider told us we did not have to tell our insurers.

Dan_1981

18,128 posts

230 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Bloke taking the course I went on specifically told us that we had not been convicted of any offense and we did not have to disclose that we'd been on the course to anyone - particularly our insurers.

Of course if the insurers start to include a "have you been on a speed awareness course?" type question it coudl cause problems.....

S7Paul

Original Poster:

2,103 posts

265 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Thanks for the quick replies. It seems that in the eyes of the law, if you opt for the course you have not been convicted. Probably worth doing the course then. Cheers.

rewc

2,187 posts

264 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Dan_1981 said:
Bloke taking the course I went on specifically told us that we had not been convicted of any offense and we did not have to disclose that we'd been on the course to anyone - particularly our insurers.

Of course if the insurers start to include a "have you been on a speed awareness course?" type question it coudl cause problems.....
Why would an insurer consider a person who has attended a course a greater risk than one who hasn't? Surely a repentant sinner, especially one who has been educated in the error of their ways, is a good bet as far as safety is concerned.

Dan_1981

18,128 posts

230 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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I agree.

Not a single kitten has died since I went on my course.

streaky

19,311 posts

280 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Covered extensively recently. 'Search' might uncover the thread.

Streaky

GreatGranny

9,519 posts

257 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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Definately worth doing and not just to avoid getting points or affecting insurance.

I have had upto 6 points at one time and it didn't affect my insurance. My IC said more than that or a none SP30 type conviction even if it 'only' 3 points would affect it.


wonkysid

52 posts

236 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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i just renewed my insurance, after much on line searching, several of the providers had a tick box asking had i attended a SAC in the past 3 years, i wonder what would happen if i had been on a course said no on the insurance application, oh i know insurance is void,

not everyone asked but i i wonder how long before they do

daz3210

5,000 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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wonkysid said:
i wonder what would happen if i had been on a course said no on the insurance application, oh i know insurance is void,
If they could find out maybe so.

But is the database not private and only for the purpose of administering the schemes? If so it may be unlawful to divulge the contents.

Likewise, can insurance co's ask the Police about your convictions? Of course with convictions, production of your licence is the obvious way of proving what you have/haven't got points for.


wonkysid

52 posts

236 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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daz3210 said:
wonkysid said:
i wonder what would happen if i had been on a course said no on the insurance application, oh i know insurance is void,
If they could find out maybe so.

But is the database not private and only for the purpose of administering the schemes? If so it may be unlawful to divulge the contents.

Likewise, can insurance co's ask the Police about your convictions? Of course with convictions, production of your licence is the obvious way of proving what you have/haven't got points for.
the database may be private, but how long before they sell the details, the word non decleration springs to mind, i should have checked if the premium went up if i ticked the SAC box

daz3210

5,000 posts

271 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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wonkysid said:
daz3210 said:
wonkysid said:
i wonder what would happen if i had been on a course said no on the insurance application, oh i know insurance is void,
If they could find out maybe so.

But is the database not private and only for the purpose of administering the schemes? If so it may be unlawful to divulge the contents.

Likewise, can insurance co's ask the Police about your convictions? Of course with convictions, production of your licence is the obvious way of proving what you have/haven't got points for.
the database may be private, but how long before they sell the details, the word non decleration springs to mind, i should have checked if the premium went up if i ticked the SAC box
But on the course I was on the term I recall used was 'in the eyes of the law you have not been convicted, and you do not have to declare attendance to your insurer'.

So does that mean the law says you don't have to declare? If so non-declaration should carry no penalty.

Guess we need a case in court before we will know for sure.


vxmatt

65 posts

177 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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I asked Adrian Flux whether they needed to know and was told that because it wasn't a conviction they didn't.

Ganglandboss

8,563 posts

234 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/roadsafe...

"Remember, if you are eligible and elect to take the Speed Awareness Course, you do not have to pay the fine, you won't get the penalty points and above all, you don't have to tell your insurance company because the speeding offence is cancelled.

If you decide not to take the course option, under the terms of your insurance policy you are required to notify them of any prosecutions. It is not uncommon for insurance costs to rise at a rate of £50 per penalty point for a period of up to five years."

V8 Vum

3,206 posts

252 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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Course yesterday...

My experience:

Started with tables arranged to make up four larger with 6 or 7 chairs - very cozy!

Tutor a bit over-the-top in being Mr Nice!

Started well with lots of laughing and jokes to break the ice, but I got the distinct feeling things would change...

Then the condesending attitute for Mr Tutor began to show more and more and the relevence to speeding less and less - most of the deliverance was highway code stuff and going on and on about how he was an advanced driver ... not necessarily related to speeding issues in itself...

Think most there began to feel Mr Condescending was going over the top to the point of not wishing to discuss anything but dictating towards the end...

Not what I expected.

I can see new drivers getting some useful stuff from this, but then most were almost geriatric in age, most had inadvertantly gone over the limit by a small fraction, only one admitted to a 'speed problem' ie they knowingly did it.

Would I go again if even offered?

Probably not!

streaky

19,311 posts

280 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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Ganglandboss said:
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/roadsafe...

"Remember, if you are eligible and elect to take the Speed Awareness Course, you do not have to pay the fine, you won't get the penalty points and above all, you don't have to tell your insurance company because the speeding offence is cancelled.

If you decide not to take the course option, under the terms of your insurance policy you are required to notify them of any prosecutions. It is not uncommon for insurance costs to rise at a rate of £50 per penalty point for a period of up to five years."
wonkysid said:
i just renewed my insurance, after much on line searching, several of the providers had a tick box asking had i attended a SAC in the past 3 years, ...
Believe your insurer, not the SAC organiser.

Streaky

daz3210

5,000 posts

271 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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streaky said:
Ganglandboss said:
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/roadsafe...

"Remember, if you are eligible and elect to take the Speed Awareness Course, you do not have to pay the fine, you won't get the penalty points and above all, you don't have to tell your insurance company because the speeding offence is cancelled.

If you decide not to take the course option, under the terms of your insurance policy you are required to notify them of any prosecutions. It is not uncommon for insurance costs to rise at a rate of £50 per penalty point for a period of up to five years."
wonkysid said:
i just renewed my insurance, after much on line searching, several of the providers had a tick box asking had i attended a SAC in the past 3 years, ...
Believe your insurer, not the SAC organiser.

Streaky
If the legislation that allows these courses states insurers need not be told, are insurers breaking any regulations by asking the question?

RichB

56,456 posts

315 months

Friday 27th April 2012
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streaky said:
Covered extensively recently. 'Search' might uncover the thread.

Streaky
Indeed and I recollect the answer was no within a few posts followed by many pages of people saying well yes but no but yes but no but maybe but what about the children etc. biglaugh


JonRB

80,180 posts

303 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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streaky said:
Ganglandboss said:
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/roadsafe...

"Remember, if you are eligible and elect to take the Speed Awareness Course, you do not have to pay the fine, you won't get the penalty points and above all, you don't have to tell your insurance company because the speeding offence is cancelled.

If you decide not to take the course option, under the terms of your insurance policy you are required to notify them of any prosecutions. It is not uncommon for insurance costs to rise at a rate of £50 per penalty point for a period of up to five years."
wonkysid said:
i just renewed my insurance, after much on line searching, several of the providers had a tick box asking had i attended a SAC in the past 3 years, ...
Believe your insurer, not the SAC organiser.

Streaky
Indeed. Insurance is a contract and the insurer can word it how they wish. If the insurer explicitly asks if you have attended one then, obviously, you must answer truthfully.

If they don't explicitly ask then you are under no obligation to volunteer the information as it does not form part of the contract.

Jon1967x

8,205 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Watch out using price comparison sites. They typically don't ask about SAC. I had to use admirals web site as I couldn't specify my exact car on the comparison site I tried first and realised they want to know. I imagine if I'd bought the admiral policy from the comparison site I'd have been sent the paperwork and asked to check and missed it in the small print. I've no idea what would happen in such a case but you get the feeling they don't much of an excuse to wriggle.