Jag, X Type 2.5 or 3.0
Discussion
I'm thinking seriously about one of these, 8 or so years old just to get me to the airport and back again for the next 6-12 months, plus whatever running around needs to be done.
I've read up that they're a 4WD on some of the earlier ones. Is that all the 2.5's and 3.0 petrols? Or just some? And I'm guessing thats their potential weak spots as well?
Figures seem to add up, couple of grand to buy, not too expensive to run in the grand scheme of things
I've read up that they're a 4WD on some of the earlier ones. Is that all the 2.5's and 3.0 petrols? Or just some? And I'm guessing thats their potential weak spots as well?
Figures seem to add up, couple of grand to buy, not too expensive to run in the grand scheme of things
I really like this and there's a good history to the design of the model too. It really should have sold better and was certainly a good car.
The 3.0 is evidently faster, although mpg is similar. But it depends, if you don't use WOT much and aren't fussed about the pace then the 2.5 might well be fine and will offer an mpg or so more.
Pre 2003 cars have a different centre differential as it has an LSD which offers up a better drive and better 4x4 ability in the snow than the latter cars without the centre LSD unit. They had just an open diff and relied on the wheel side TCS to cope with it.
Motors are pretty good as far as I know, transmission and especially the transfer box are the weakest, which was why Jag opted for the cheap open diff setup in 2003.
Check all the usual electrics.
The HVAC is a Ford unit, although the switch gear is Jag (also used in the latter x308 cars).
All the diesels are FWD sadly and the 2.1 petrol is also FWD and hardly worth the effort over the bigger V6's as it's a lot slower and uses almost as much fuel.
The 3.0 is evidently faster, although mpg is similar. But it depends, if you don't use WOT much and aren't fussed about the pace then the 2.5 might well be fine and will offer an mpg or so more.
Pre 2003 cars have a different centre differential as it has an LSD which offers up a better drive and better 4x4 ability in the snow than the latter cars without the centre LSD unit. They had just an open diff and relied on the wheel side TCS to cope with it.
Motors are pretty good as far as I know, transmission and especially the transfer box are the weakest, which was why Jag opted for the cheap open diff setup in 2003.
Check all the usual electrics.
The HVAC is a Ford unit, although the switch gear is Jag (also used in the latter x308 cars).
All the diesels are FWD sadly and the 2.1 petrol is also FWD and hardly worth the effort over the bigger V6's as it's a lot slower and uses almost as much fuel.
I was just about to go buy a Mk3 Mondeo, I've had 2 of them before and thought the Jag might be worth a shout. Not much of a premium at the price point I'm looking at, and has the things I'd want from the Mondy, but a bit more poke from the larger engines, which don't seem to be a reasonable option in the Mondeo.
Some of the Jag interiors are a bit too dated for me, seems to depend on the colour schemes though. Will go check a few out. There are quite a lot around here, strangely!
Some of the Jag interiors are a bit too dated for me, seems to depend on the colour schemes though. Will go check a few out. There are quite a lot around here, strangely!
andy-xr said:
I was just about to go buy a Mk3 Mondeo, I've had 2 of them before and thought the Jag might be worth a shout. Not much of a premium at the price point I'm looking at, and has the things I'd want from the Mondy, but a bit more poke from the larger engines, which don't seem to be a reasonable option in the Mondeo.
Some of the Jag interiors are a bit too dated for me, seems to depend on the colour schemes though. Will go check a few out. There are quite a lot around here, strangely!
i had the same thought process and settled on a 2007 X Type Sovereign estate with 27,000 miles. It is the 2.2 TDCi Mondeo engine - loads of torque and smooth (for a diesel). Take care because X Types aren't as well specced as Mondeos at the bottom of the range. For example a heated windscreen is almost always an extra on the Jag but standard on the Ford. The advantage of the Jaguar is that because I wanted to avoid a DPF I wanted a pre-2008 model. The Fords at that age are all high mileage, but the Jags rarely do even the usual 10k per annum. So far I'm happy...Some of the Jag interiors are a bit too dated for me, seems to depend on the colour schemes though. Will go check a few out. There are quite a lot around here, strangely!
podwin said:
Wiki says the 2.1 is a V6.
Is that right?
I've never noticed one on the roads.
I agree they should have sold more.
Yep the 2.1 is the same V6 motor. Odd choice really and I think aimed for fleets but failed. Arguably the worse car in the line as it's the only FWD petrol and doesn't offer the pace of the offers or the mpg of the diesels.Is that right?
I've never noticed one on the roads.
I agree they should have sold more.
andy-xr said:
I was just about to go buy a Mk3 Mondeo, I've had 2 of them before and thought the Jag might be worth a shout. Not much of a premium at the price point I'm looking at, and has the things I'd want from the Mondy, but a bit more poke from the larger engines, which don't seem to be a reasonable option in the Mondeo.
Some of the Jag interiors are a bit too dated for me, seems to depend on the colour schemes though. Will go check a few out. There are quite a lot around here, strangely!
While the X-Type uses the same basic platform as the Mondeo it's quite a different car. There are some common parts, but then again a Lotus Esprit had common parts with Rover's and Renaults....Some of the Jag interiors are a bit too dated for me, seems to depend on the colour schemes though. Will go check a few out. There are quite a lot around here, strangely!
As for the interiors, personally I really like the wood and leather look, and think it's a skill fast being lost by mainsteam car makers - including Jaguar.
Generally the "Sport" models have dark piano stained panels rather than wood looking. The sport models also don't have the silly chrome that doesn't suit the X-Type at all. Latter cars have the best looking grill and bumper, although I think the sheet metal is the same, so it should be possible to swap it over if you wanted too.
schmalex said:
The 2.5 is utter, utter s
t. Gutless & thirsty. I've not driven a 3.0, but I am told they are a world apart.
On paper it doesn't seem so bad, power and acceleration not a million miles away from the 325 I had (and was fond of). Surprising to hear, but you've more experience than me so will take it onboard and see how I go. t. Gutless & thirsty. I've not driven a 3.0, but I am told they are a world apart.schmalex said:
I thought that when I bought one many years ago (albeit, it was on a 51 plate, so one of the earlier cars). I sold it after about 4 months, as I just could not abide it.
Well, you were right!! Test drove a 3.0 and a 2.5 and thought the 2.5 would be quicker than it was. As I said earlier, on paper it should have been something similar to the 325 I owned, but in reality driving it, it wasn't anywhere near. And it wasn't necessarily remembering the good times with the 325. I actually thought the 3.0 would be quicker than it was as well, but seem to have found a decent one that's been well looked after so have put down a deposit
andy-xr said:
Well, you were right!! Test drove a 3.0 and a 2.5 and thought the 2.5 would be quicker than it was. As I said earlier, on paper it should have been something similar to the 325 I owned, but in reality driving it, it wasn't anywhere near. And it wasn't necessarily remembering the good times with the 325.
I actually thought the 3.0 would be quicker than it was as well, but seem to have found a decent one that's been well looked after so have put down a deposit
Sadly the X-Type isn't the lightest of cars so 60mph with the manual 3.0 is 6.6 - 7.2 sec depending where you read it. And about 18 sec to 100mph. There's also a reasonable case Jag went with refinement which sort of dulls the sense of speed a little.I actually thought the 3.0 would be quicker than it was as well, but seem to have found a decent one that's been well looked after so have put down a deposit
the 2.0l my folks have is lovely.
It's never going to set the world alight with its performance, or rather lack of, but get it on a motorway and it wafts along quite happily.
It all really depends what you need from the car, as I see it any of them would suit the OP's requirement.
The MPG isn't really that bad on the 2 litre but it does need to obviously work a bit harder than bigger engined models.
Good car for what they're going for now and a world apart from the Mondeo hire car I had of the same vintage.
It's never going to set the world alight with its performance, or rather lack of, but get it on a motorway and it wafts along quite happily.
It all really depends what you need from the car, as I see it any of them would suit the OP's requirement.
The MPG isn't really that bad on the 2 litre but it does need to obviously work a bit harder than bigger engined models.
Good car for what they're going for now and a world apart from the Mondeo hire car I had of the same vintage.
Needa308GT4 said:
it wafts along quite happily.
This is what I wanted from it, and it does it very nicely. I was having a conversation with the sales bloke at normal volume despite dong a little over the NSL. Little to no noise from either the car or the road coming through, and sat there in a reasonable amount of comfort. I just wanted the bigger engine to get a move on when I have to. Pick it up Thursday with a bit of luck, it needs taxing and they're giving it a once over with a fresh MOT
I test drove both and ended up with a 3.0 SE Manual.... Smashing bit of kit in fairness.
I do a 25 mile country road round trip comute and it manages about 23-24mpg on a run 30+ is possible if you keep to Her Majesty's limits - which of course I always do!
Mine is an 03 plate and I paid very little for it with 65k on it, all things being equal I am very pleased.
I do a 25 mile country road round trip comute and it manages about 23-24mpg on a run 30+ is possible if you keep to Her Majesty's limits - which of course I always do!
Mine is an 03 plate and I paid very little for it with 65k on it, all things being equal I am very pleased.
SWMBO bought a 3.0 V6 SE a few weeks ago - it goes like st of a shovel although that does bugger up the fuel consumption somewhat...
Last week on the way back from Devon I managed to average a staggering 15 MPG!!
She wasn't very happy with me.
It is a very good car which handles really well, has a good ride quality, comfy seats & a huge boot which is bigger than our Laguna.
Overall very impressed with it so far. Ours is a 2001 car with just 46k miles on the clock so should last us a while.
t of a shovel although that does bugger up the fuel consumption somewhat...Last week on the way back from Devon I managed to average a staggering 15 MPG!!
She wasn't very happy with me.
It is a very good car which handles really well, has a good ride quality, comfy seats & a huge boot which is bigger than our Laguna.
Overall very impressed with it so far. Ours is a 2001 car with just 46k miles on the clock so should last us a while.
Been out in my 3.0se manual today, averaged 34mpg doing a bit of mixed driving and loafing along at 65mph on the motorway on cruise.
As far as the amount of go is concerned, I came from an E34 540 V8, and have not felt short changed in any way. Yes it needs a few more revs but it is refined and quite capable of indecent progress.
If it's not making any noises from the prop or transfer box then it should be fine for a good while.
Hope you have many happy miles in your new toy
As far as the amount of go is concerned, I came from an E34 540 V8, and have not felt short changed in any way. Yes it needs a few more revs but it is refined and quite capable of indecent progress.
If it's not making any noises from the prop or transfer box then it should be fine for a good while.
Hope you have many happy miles in your new toy
Edited by Six Fiend on Saturday 21st April 19:57
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