VTEC power

[Kentmagpie]

Is it financially feasible to use the k20a2 engine is 7 style cars or mid engine cars or a costly waste of time, thoughts??

[Sam_68]

Yes, it's possible (OK, I know it's not the K20a2, but its a Honda V-TEC).

I've also seen Lotus 23 replicas that use the V-TEC engine in a mid-engined configuration.

Financially feasible? That depends on your finances...

[Megaflow]

As Sam said, very dooable with the newer Vtec engines as they rotate the correct way, older stuff rotates backwards.

AFAIK Westfield are the only people to make a kit that accepts a Honda engine, so apart from that you are pretty much on your own when it comes to mounts, exhuats, gearboxes, etc. Or relying on friendly members from the owners club of your choosen car who may have done something similar.

[Kentmagpie]

funnily enough it was the k20a2 engine i would like to use, the f20c out of s2000 would be to costly me thinks. Im clutching at straws really as budget is slim :-)

[Mr2Mike]

The K20A is a very tall engine. Unless you mount the engine up high and put a big power bulge in the bonnet you'll probably have to go with a dry sump which pushes up costs significantly.

[Furyblade_Lee]

Wafriend of mine has just installed an S2000 engine under a standard Fury bonnet, it touches but technically that counts! no sump mods either, it's a good package and Fury Sporrscars can now supply an S2000 ready chassis off the peg. Have not seen the install in a Westfield yet or how they have done it??

[Kentmagpie]

I'm a bike engine fan at heart but due to costly builds was thinking VTEC power for car engine. It just seems every avenue u turn down is expensive :-(

[jason61c]

lots of kits fit a s2000 lump. Rubbish about needing a dry sump too. they fit under most bonnets. Great lump!

[Furyblade_Lee]

It's a great option over a bike engine, I'd swap!!! 240bhp of unburstable engine and slick 6 speed box, my friend paid just £2k for his. In a lightweight car I think it makes a £10k Dutatec and £2k for a gearbox look a little pointless for a build, unless you have lots of money.

[Furyblade_Lee]

Jason, I think my mate said the gearbox is lower than the sump, so dry sumping does not help the engine height, the limiting factors are the low gearbox coupled with the tall engine, but as you say people have made them fit. I am surprised nobody yet has come up with a SDV based on an S2000? Complete damaged cars must be really cheap.

[Mr2Mike]

Furyblade_Lee said:

I am surprised nobody yet has come up with a SDV based on an S2000? Complete damaged cars must be really cheap.

Not really, the S2000 engine and boxes fetch upwards of 2k by themselves. I know someone with a very powerful supercharged K20A in a Sylva Striker (the remnants of a Striker anyway) and there is no way that would have fitted without a dry sump.

[Kentmagpie]

Apart from height issues, wot other things need doing??? Do u need throttle bodies? Wot diff, prop and driveshafts are needed etc??

[rdodger]

http://www.clockwisemotion.co.uk/index.html

These are the guys to speak to. They have squeezed a K20a into a Caterham. I think you will need very deep pockets though.

Having said that by the time you have specked a Duratec with throttle bodies, dry sump, management etc etc I bet there is nothing in it and the Honda will be 240 bhp on standard internals. The Duratec on standard internals 200bhp?

[Kentmagpie]

Unfortunately deep pockets is summin I wish for :-(

[GTRCLIVE]

K20A2 Head (Type R) and a CRV 2.4 bottom end.... K24 hybrid with only a mild cam that's 221bhp from a 2.4 and Crv motors are cheap you just need to find a Head somewhere, and the best thing is you now only have a 9.5:1 comp ratio so it will even take boost...... Did I here anyone say supercharged 400bhp !!!
I found a Head on EBay a while ago with Skunk Cams, fancy retainers and springs I could not resist... just waiting to find a CRV with a Manual gearbox in the scrap yards now then I have all the parts I need to make my 4WD Classic Mini project..

[Kentmagpie]

That's sounds rather interesting, let us know how that turns out :-) would height be an issue again when putting it in a 7 style car?

[Megaflow]

Mr2Mike said:

Not really, the S2000 engine and boxes fetch upwards of 2k by themselves. I know someone with a very powerful supercharged K20A in a Sylva Striker (the remnants of a Striker anyway) and there is no way that would have fitted without a dry sump.

That's what's odd. An engine and gearbox, complete with ancillaries and ECU is worth upwards of £2k, yet you can buy a complete car for £3.5k

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3722682.htm

I was slightly suprised by Westfield's S2000 kit, I expected them to use more or the donar car than just the engine and gearbox, especially as it comes with a LSD and double wishbone suspension as standard. Sure, the wishbones would be no use, but surely the uprights would be nigh on perfect.

And you get to sell wheels, lights, interior, etc to recoup some money back.

Edited by Megaflow on Friday 20th April 08:03

[jason61c]

Furyblade_Lee said:

Jason, I think my mate said the gearbox is lower than the sump, so dry sumping does not help the engine height, the limiting factors are the low gearbox coupled with the tall engine, but as you say people have made them fit. I am surprised nobody yet has come up with a SDV based on an S2000? Complete damaged cars must be really cheap.

Hi Lee

I guess the problem is that they're not common like a mx5, or bmw 3 series. Developing a whole kit around a small number of donors(relative speaking) would be expensive for a limited customer base(IMO). The bellhousing does hang a little lower but there are plenty running around in kits with a standard sump.

When I used a m3 engine It was a toss-up between a s2000 and m3. When I heard a straight 6 revving to 8000+rpm though I was sold

[The Black Flash]

OP - on a budget, your best bet is probably something ford based. You can buy new crate zetec engines for around £750 apparently, used ones from a breaker considerably cheaper (a few hundred). Stick with something common and everything will be cheaper.

[jason61c]

Or use a bmw donor car. buy a rusty 328i for £500 and have the engine/box/diff and importantly a ecu that works out of the car. A very cheap 200bhp.