Playing on the street
Discussion
Whats the line from the RTA with regards to playing in the street. In this case it is a Short cul-de-sac with 12 Semi's in it. The traffic is minimal and one one of the neighbours rely's on our goodwill not to use part of our frontage so they can park one of three vehicles. Desipte this he is threatning to report the children under the RTA. Under what section??????
telecat said:
Whats the line from the RTA with regards to playing in the street. In this case it is a Short cul-de-sac with 12 Semi's in it. The traffic is minimal and one one of the neighbours rely's on our goodwill not to use part of our frontage so they can park one of three vehicles. Desipte this he is threatning to report the children under the RTA. Under what section??????
There might be something under the town police act and such likes for no ball games (football) etc...but nothing under the RTA1988....
Children play in the street...that's normal..
Street
Local Council first make a Traffic Order declaring the Street to be a Play Street and prohibit motor vehicles from entering under certain circumstanesc contained in the Order.Has to be signed - No Entry sign and logo Play Street. Offence to disobey the order.
They then make a ByLaw declaring the Street a Play area with conditions as to what or what not the kids can do.
Police new powers to combat under Anti Social Behaviour Act 2003 if playing is causing harrassment, distress etc.
DVD
They then make a ByLaw declaring the Street a Play area with conditions as to what or what not the kids can do.
Police new powers to combat under Anti Social Behaviour Act 2003 if playing is causing harrassment, distress etc.
DVD
hertsbiker said:
(Sorry if this sounds harsh)
Play street? FFS. Go to a playing FIELD or keep 'em in the garden. Streets are paid for by motorists for motors. Not as play areas. Why can't people see that keeping kids off the road = reduced accidents?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !
Great if you live in a decent enough area with a park but what about those who live in huge concrete/tarmac expanses?
Depends what kind of road and what kind of playing we're talking about.
- If it's a cul de sac then it's safe enough.
- If it's a through road then maybe not.
- If they're riding bikes around and generally doing kids stuff then fine.
- If they're constantly hitting cars with footballs or kicking them into your daisy's then fair enough - send them to the park.
Kids are kids, and much as I hate them tearing around on their bikes, I remember what we were like on our estate growing up - 10-15 of us tearing around on bikes all day long. Then we got into home-made go kart racing. The poor neighbours.
Personally I'd ignore this neighbour's moans. It is only the beginning of the school holidays - they're going to get more irritating (kids and neighbour).
- If it's a cul de sac then it's safe enough.
- If it's a through road then maybe not.
- If they're riding bikes around and generally doing kids stuff then fine.
- If they're constantly hitting cars with footballs or kicking them into your daisy's then fair enough - send them to the park.
Kids are kids, and much as I hate them tearing around on their bikes, I remember what we were like on our estate growing up - 10-15 of us tearing around on bikes all day long. Then we got into home-made go kart racing. The poor neighbours.
Personally I'd ignore this neighbour's moans. It is only the beginning of the school holidays - they're going to get more irritating (kids and neighbour).
The Neighbour in question used to be a BIB, is not often in residence as his partner(?) seems to own the house. As for nuisence My lad generally cycles off to play areas/recreation areas in the village and was having a gentle tennis knock around with the older lad from across the street. Other smaller kids tend to cycle up and down the street and the street is full of families these days. He also is "bothering" my children when they are playing in my garden which fronts onto where his car(s) are parked. Oh and Hertsbiker. Both children are fully conversant with the Green Cross code and how to ride their cycles on the Street. The boy is currently doing very well in a local Motorcycle trials series and again knows very well what a motor vehicle can do to him. The "CUL-DE-SAC" is very short and not a run to anywhere.
>> Edited by telecat on Sunday 25th July 22:24
>> Edited by telecat on Sunday 25th July 22:24
A street is still a street. I'm very concerned by all of this. Round in the next street from me, the hideously nasty chav scrote children dare the cars to drive round. They stand in front of you like you're the one doing wrong, and take the p***. In my road they paly football and the mothers sneer & criticise you for doing 20mph in a 30mph street.
Soooo....... I have zero sympathy for you. I am sorry if this is contrary to your beleifs, but I have seen what happens when you give bratts an inch, one little charmer booted a ball so hard into the side of a car that it dented the door in permanantly.
Choose your house carefully before impregnating your woman, and maybe your offspring will have a better environment to grow up in.
ROADS are for cars. Pavements are for people - so those nauseating adverts keep reminding us.
C
Soooo....... I have zero sympathy for you. I am sorry if this is contrary to your beleifs, but I have seen what happens when you give bratts an inch, one little charmer booted a ball so hard into the side of a car that it dented the door in permanantly.
Choose your house carefully before impregnating your woman, and maybe your offspring will have a better environment to grow up in.
ROADS are for cars. Pavements are for people - so those nauseating adverts keep reminding us.
C
Have to agree with HB (if not quite so harsh a manner). Kids should be kept off the streets. One of the jobs I do involves delivering kitchens direct to houses in a 26t truck. Cul de Sacs are the worst, as the kids have no concept of the dangers. Even with a porter watching me back, I`ve had a few close calls. As HB says, roads are for vehicles.
I agree with HB and TM. If children are accustomed to playing safely in one street they will not appreciate the dangers incurred when playing in another street. They are not aware of the differences between one street and another. Unless it is a no motor vehicles street they should not play in it.
All urban jungles I have seen have play areas somewhere or another, they should use them.
All urban jungles I have seen have play areas somewhere or another, they should use them.
[quote=kevinday]I agree with HB and TM. If children are accustomed to playing safely in one street they will not appreciate the dangers incurred when playing in another street. They are not aware of the differences between one street and another. Unless it is a no motor vehicles street they should not play in it.
Keep the little buggers away from the roads and teach them what the pavements are for 
Keep the little buggers away from the roads and teach them what the pavements are for HertsBiker said:Agreed totally
A street is still a street. I'm very concerned by all of this. Round in the next street from me, the hideously nasty chav scrote children dare the cars to drive round. They stand in front of you like you're the one doing wrong, and take the p***. In my road they paly football and the mothers sneer & criticise you for doing 20mph in a 30mph street.
Soooo....... I have zero sympathy for you. I am sorry if this is contrary to your beleifs, but I have seen what happens when you give bratts an inch, one little charmer booted a ball so hard into the side of a car that it dented the door in permanantly.
Choose your house carefully before impregnating your woman, and maybe your offspring will have a better environment to grow up in.
ROADS are for cars. Pavements are for people - so those nauseating adverts keep reminding us.
C
hertsbiker said:
(Sorry if this sounds harsh)
Play street? FFS. Go to a playing FIELD or keep 'em in the garden. Streets are paid for by motorists for motors. Not as play areas. Why can't people see that keeping kids off the road = reduced accidents?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !
Not got kids then ?
1) Kids are stupid.(Not mine just everyopne elses)
2) It's a fecking Cul De Sac, that's near the kids house, so that the kids should have freedom in relative safety.
I would not let my 8 year old daughter go to the park with her friends without an adult, which is half a mile away - for obvious reasons(She would pass a number of public Grass spaces on the way, but there are big NO BALL GAMES signs)
But I will let her play on the paved area at the end of the cul de sac we live on with a warning not to go on the road.
I find it amazing that there are parents who let their own children play on the road, but still are able to achieve Mach 3 in the 200 yards from one end of cul de sac to the other.
PlayStreets sound like a brilliant idea, with less than 10 mph limit, real traffic calming and an understanding that THERE will be children in the road. Cause It's no longer a ROAD it's a play ground where cars happen to have access.
telecat said:
The Neighbour in question used to be a BIB, is not often in residence as his partner(?) seems to own the house.
He also is "bothering" my children when they are playing in my garden which fronts onto where his car(s) are parked.
>> Edited by telecat on Sunday 25th July 22:24
I'd be contacting the local police about harrassment.
Kids should be allowed to play in their own garden FFS.
I have recently been 'TOLD OFF' by a neighbour for skateboarding on the paved area on our cul de sac.
It was a Saturday afternoon, there was the sounds of tree cutting and lawn mowing, but apparently, me (37 years old) doing tic tacks on my sons skate board is a nuisance.
I was taken off guard, and was polite. (strange for me)
Next time they have the lawn mower out I'm off to complain !
Amazing how many who have "Speed Kills" in their windows drive like maniacs even when its their own streets. I do like most here make "progress" when conditions permit but treat streets with houses like my kids are playing there. Seems to puzzle other's but they are why I drum the GCC and observation into the kids, and when they are out make sure they practice it!
If it's a residential street then kids will play.
Where I grew up the road was a tree lined through road with only houses and not busy. I would ride my bike up and down the road, sit on my skateboard and roll down the hill, climb the odd tree, kick around a football or play tennis. All the houses had driveways but there were as many cars parked on the street.
I once fell off my bike and into a stationary milkfloat and once careered into a tree and over the kerb on my skateboard.
That's what kids do. It's as safe as you can get without nannying them too much and depriving them of anything outdoors to do.
Where I grew up the road was a tree lined through road with only houses and not busy. I would ride my bike up and down the road, sit on my skateboard and roll down the hill, climb the odd tree, kick around a football or play tennis. All the houses had driveways but there were as many cars parked on the street.
I once fell off my bike and into a stationary milkfloat and once careered into a tree and over the kerb on my skateboard.
That's what kids do. It's as safe as you can get without nannying them too much and depriving them of anything outdoors to do.
I agree with Hertsbiker, the road is for vehicles and play areas are for children, the two don't tend to mix too well.
The lack of play areas is caused by councils wanting to cram in as many houses into a small area as possible to maximise the council tax income and developers wanting the same to maximise return from their land.
Until we build proper play areas as part of new developments this is going to continue to be a problem, greed over safety . . . then they blame the car. They can
off.
In the old days, when I was young, I can remember being told not to play in the road . . . there were no excuses, the road was for vehicles. When I was a bit older and allowed to cycle in the road I had far greater respect for it and other vehicles because I'd not been allowed to use it before and knew that it was not a play area. I also had to take and pass the cycling profeciency test before using the road. Why do people these days not see these simply things that could really save lives ? Constant focus on speed and how dangerous cars are is making the situation worse.
The lack of play areas is caused by councils wanting to cram in as many houses into a small area as possible to maximise the council tax income and developers wanting the same to maximise return from their land.
Until we build proper play areas as part of new developments this is going to continue to be a problem, greed over safety . . . then they blame the car. They can
off. In the old days, when I was young, I can remember being told not to play in the road . . . there were no excuses, the road was for vehicles. When I was a bit older and allowed to cycle in the road I had far greater respect for it and other vehicles because I'd not been allowed to use it before and knew that it was not a play area. I also had to take and pass the cycling profeciency test before using the road. Why do people these days not see these simply things that could really save lives ? Constant focus on speed and how dangerous cars are is making the situation worse.
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