think im gonna cry
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fter recently doing the cams on my car and running it up all was fine so thought i would take it for a little spin today with the mrs only for it to be coming back on the back of a low loader
basically was giving it a bit of stick away from a set of lights and then there was abend ahead as i tried to negotiate the bend noticed no power steering which was a bit of a shock surprise...this was closely followe by car overheating and the oil light coming up and complete loss of oil pressure which was previously all good...guess theres something that runs these 3 things which has failed.
can anyone help and shed some light on this please?
basically was giving it a bit of stick away from a set of lights and then there was abend ahead as i tried to negotiate the bend noticed no power steering which was a bit of a shock surprise...this was closely followe by car overheating and the oil light coming up and complete loss of oil pressure which was previously all good...guess theres something that runs these 3 things which has failed.
can anyone help and shed some light on this please?
thanks dont like the owch bit at the end though lol
this doesnt sound good to me, is this gonna now be an engine out jobby if so?
im soooo gutted after doing the startermotor, cams and shims etc.
has anyone got a pic of this drive gear please, how is the oil pump, p/s and water pump all driven?
this doesnt sound good to me, is this gonna now be an engine out jobby if so?
im soooo gutted after doing the startermotor, cams and shims etc.
has anyone got a pic of this drive gear please, how is the oil pump, p/s and water pump all driven?
There is a single shaft along the offside of the engine that goes through the middle of the 3 pumps. The shaft is driven by a gear inside the timing case at the front. As said above, the gear is held on the shaft with a woodruff key - either the key has sheared or the shaft has broken right at the front.
Alistair H. said:
I think you have sheared the woodruff key on the shaft which drives all these ancilaries.
ouch.
Afraid to say this seems the most likely cause. To dis-assemble it all and replace the key/drive shaft is an engine out situation as far as Im aware, the one drive shaft powers all three pumps, but others may know a diff way.ouch.
I had a couple of strange oil pressure drops on startups and once driving, then an overheat with no apparent leak or failure. Taking my engine out wasnt really a direct result of this, but more of a desire to refresh it all, but APM confirmed the woodruff key had sheared.
Sorry dude.
FarmyardPants said:
Bad luck, pretty certain that'll be an engine out job to fix.
What was it like to drive, for the 100 metres or so that it was running?!
im sure it must have sheared when i gave it a handfull away from the lights....still guess im lucky i never embedded it into another car or tree on the sharp right hand bend as the lack of power steering really caught me by surprise.
oh well waste of time me whining about it, guess its engine out time in which case il probably rebuild the whole thing or maybe purchase a rebuilt lump
what sort of options and prices are we looking at for a new lump?
pulsarboby said:
cheers for the input chaps
would this be a common fault on the 4.2 ajp?
thats my summer trip to france cancelled
Well maybe not. I have not much mechanical knowledge at all, but with a bit of time, research and help from some amazing people on here, I managed to pull my engine without too many problems. To rebuild/refresh the pumps is about £500, but Im not sure about taking them off without disassembling the rest of the engine. would this be a common fault on the 4.2 ajp?
thats my summer trip to france cancelled
Edited by pulsarboby on Sunday 22 April 19:44
As other's have done for me, I'm happy to lend a hand at any point if you decide to do this yourself.
cant thank you's enough for the input and offers of help, much appreciated.
its food for thought time now Mmmmm!
if i remove the lump then i just aswell do the job properly and rebuild it completely
or source another engine, if so would you go for a 4.5 ajp or what?
and what are the rough costs of a fully sorted engine or maybe getting someone to do the whole job as time is the key thing with me
its food for thought time now Mmmmm!
if i remove the lump then i just aswell do the job properly and rebuild it completely
or source another engine, if so would you go for a 4.5 ajp or what?
and what are the rough costs of a fully sorted engine or maybe getting someone to do the whole job as time is the key thing with me
pulsarboby said:
cant thank you's enough for the input and offers of help, much appreciated.
its food for thought time now Mmmmm!
if i remove the lump then i just aswell do the job properly and rebuild it completely
or source another engine, if so would you go for a 4.5 ajp or what?
and what are the rough costs of a fully sorted engine or maybe getting someone to do the whole job as time is the key thing with me
Call APM tomorrow as I know Andy has a rebuilt engine for sale, but not sure if its 4.5 or 4.2.its food for thought time now Mmmmm!
if i remove the lump then i just aswell do the job properly and rebuild it completely
or source another engine, if so would you go for a 4.5 ajp or what?
and what are the rough costs of a fully sorted engine or maybe getting someone to do the whole job as time is the key thing with me
pulsarboby said:
cheers steve
where abouts are apm based, and have you got a number for them?
i need to work out whats the most cost effective way of going ahead now
APM are on the A3 just after the Hindhead Tunnel going to Portsmouth. Bit of a trek but worth it.where abouts are apm based, and have you got a number for them?
i need to work out whats the most cost effective way of going ahead now
Number on link below;
http://www.passfieldmill.co.uk/Tenants.html
Reading through this thread clearly blames the Woodruff key for failure.
Questions is, "why did it fail?".
These keys are used on many engines and stop all manor of gears from slipping out of position.
I don't believe that failure is that common without some other external scenario occurring.
Is there any possibility that one of the three pumps nipped up or seized?
There could be a common factor involved in this, that with some early preventative medicine, could help the rest of us from suffering the same failure.
Is the same system used on 4.2 and 4.5 engines?
Questions is, "why did it fail?".
These keys are used on many engines and stop all manor of gears from slipping out of position.
I don't believe that failure is that common without some other external scenario occurring.
Is there any possibility that one of the three pumps nipped up or seized?
There could be a common factor involved in this, that with some early preventative medicine, could help the rest of us from suffering the same failure.
Is the same system used on 4.2 and 4.5 engines?
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