Picking on Trucks
Discussion
Hows this for a world gone mad. In London there exists something called the LBTS (London Borough Transport Scheme). Its purpose is to stop the nasty lorries driving past peoples houses at night. There are very few roads which I can use in a 38 tonner at night. For example, if I am delivering milk from the dairy near Uckfield, Sussex to Tesco neasr Victoria Station (Autoroute 40 miles), I have to take the following route:
A22 to M25 J6
All the way round the M25 to the M40
M40/A40 to central London
Baker street, Park Lane to Victoria.
This is a distance of 80 miles, double the direct mileage. Now I appreciate that there are some PHers who hate trucks (two paces forward Bliarout!), but surely everyone can see that this is just plain mad.
Be interested to hear your thoughts.
Steve
Yes, i know I posted this yesterday, but with a crap title so nobody read it! Thought the opportunity for a bit of truck bashing would make you all jump at it.
Steve
A22 to M25 J6
All the way round the M25 to the M40
M40/A40 to central London
Baker street, Park Lane to Victoria.
This is a distance of 80 miles, double the direct mileage. Now I appreciate that there are some PHers who hate trucks (two paces forward Bliarout!), but surely everyone can see that this is just plain mad.
Be interested to hear your thoughts.
Steve
Yes, i know I posted this yesterday, but with a crap title so nobody read it! Thought the opportunity for a bit of truck bashing would make you all jump at it.
Steve
So: you've paid the road tax (enormous amount IIRC) paind fuel duty (300%???), are insured for business use, and are being told to reduce your milage because of the environment......... then get told you have to double your journey time? mmmmm.
I think this will eventually apply to a lot more of us than "just" truck drivers. This is relevant, it's now, it's happening to all of us, yet we can't see it. Well I'll tell you what it is - it's the exploitation of the motor vehicle user, in order to maximise revenues! it has little to do with safety or social nicety.
Towman - I think you can see what I'm getting at. It's a bloody disgrace what they're doing to you. My rowdy neighbours make more noise in 5 minutes when the taxi turns up at 3am than a 38 ton truck passing by in 10 seconds at the same time.........
I think this will eventually apply to a lot more of us than "just" truck drivers. This is relevant, it's now, it's happening to all of us, yet we can't see it. Well I'll tell you what it is - it's the exploitation of the motor vehicle user, in order to maximise revenues! it has little to do with safety or social nicety.
Towman - I think you can see what I'm getting at. It's a bloody disgrace what they're doing to you. My rowdy neighbours make more noise in 5 minutes when the taxi turns up at 3am than a 38 ton truck passing by in 10 seconds at the same time.........
Just thought of a better example.
Sainsburys Hackbridge depot (near Croydon) to New Malden - direct route 6 miles
Via Croydon, a23, M23, M25, A3 as directed = 40 miles!!!
Although not applicable to either of the two routes shown, I feel very sorry for anyone living on or near the south Circular Rd. Most cross town journeys are routed that way, and between 4am and 6am its an almost constant stream of heavies as the parcel trunkers return to the various London depots. These poor sods (the householders)have been dealt a very dodgy hand by the councils who are there to look after their best interests.
Steve
>> Edited by towman on Sunday 25th July 23:54
Sainsburys Hackbridge depot (near Croydon) to New Malden - direct route 6 miles
Via Croydon, a23, M23, M25, A3 as directed = 40 miles!!!
Although not applicable to either of the two routes shown, I feel very sorry for anyone living on or near the south Circular Rd. Most cross town journeys are routed that way, and between 4am and 6am its an almost constant stream of heavies as the parcel trunkers return to the various London depots. These poor sods (the householders)have been dealt a very dodgy hand by the councils who are there to look after their best interests.
Steve
>> Edited by towman on Sunday 25th July 23:54
Dave^ said:
that's been around for years.....
you can get special permission to be exept from it.....
[could be wrong on this - but my old man used to do long distance - all the motors where he worked had exemption stickers on them]
You cannot be exempt. You can only have pre-defined routes between drops. If you dont have the sticker, you can only use even fewer roads.Your dads stickers would have authorised the truck on roads from the epot to the nearest arterial route.
dontlift said:
As Above surely it would be quicker and easier to use 3 Transit Size Vans instead
But that would require 3 drivers, and aren't drivers in short supply anyway?
Whilst I can see one might want to stop needless lorry journeys through or in London (or anywhere come to that) I never realised that this ban lorries scheme as so stupid.
Surely all lorries going to a destination in London should have an exemption certificate which allows them to drive on any direct arterial route.
Therefore from Uckfield it would be the A22 to Felbridge then either the A267(?) to the M23 or the A22 to the M25 and west to the M23, then straight up the A23?
Seems crazy to double a journey time with all the attendant polution just so a few householders who knew their house was on a main road when they bought it can get some sleep.
chrisgr31 said:
As Above surely it would be quicker and easier to use 3 Transit Size Vans instead
But that would require 3 drivers, and aren't drivers in short supply anyway?
Whilst I can see one might want to stop needless lorry journeys through or in London (or anywhere come to that) I never realised that this ban lorries scheme as so stupid.
Surely all lorries going to a destination in London should have an exemption certificate which allows them to drive on any direct arterial route.
Therefore from Uckfield it would be the A22 to Felbridge then either the A267(?) to the M23 or the A22 to the M25 and west to the M23, then straight up the A23?
Seems crazy to double a journey time with all the attendant polution just so a few householders who knew their house was on a main road when they bought it can get some sleep.
Lorry drivers may be in short supply, people that can drive a transit are not I would assume.
I have two houses. My weekday house backs onto a railway. Every morning at 3am, 5am and 6am a freight train passes. It generates more noise than any truck you could imagine. After a while you tune the noise out. That's human nature. As far as I'm concerned I would say incentivize HGVs do their deliveries between the "anit-social" hours. That would help clear the congestion. People have a choice of where they live. If they choose to live close to a major supermarket or retail centre then they should be prepare to accept the inconvenience of some traffic noise as well as the convenience of the shopping!
gh0st said:
Lorry drivers may be in short supply, people that can drive a transit are not I would assume.
Whilst inclined to agree that there are probably lots of people that can drive a transit if we believe the government unemployment is low so finding these people may be difficult.
Not only that but the work would appear to be at antisocial hours so even less people willing to do it!
Presumably depending on the size of the lorry you'd need more than 3 transits.
I am not sure what weight the London HGV limit affects, and come to that I think that as I passed my test 20 odd years ago I am allowed to drive a 7.5 tonne truck without an additional test. However is that only for personal use? If working would I require a different licence?
towman said:
Hows this for a world gone mad. In London there exists something called the LBTS (London Borough Transport Scheme). Its purpose is to stop the nasty lorries driving past peoples houses at night. There are very few roads which I can use in a 38 tonner at night. For example, if I am delivering milk from the dairy near Uckfield, Sussex to Tesco neasr Victoria Station (Autoroute 40 miles), I have to take the following route:
A22 to M25 J6
All the way round the M25 to the M40
M40/A40 to central London
Baker street, Park Lane to Victoria.
This is a distance of 80 miles, double the direct mileage. Now I appreciate that there are some PHers who hate trucks (two paces forward Bliarout!), but surely everyone can see that this is just plain mad.
Be interested to hear your thoughts.
Steve
Yes, i know I posted this yesterday, but with a crap title so nobody read it! Thought the opportunity for a bit of truck bashing would make you all jump at it.
Steve
Did anybody mention trains? 
it's mum's on the school run they should be restricting - not f**king truck drivers delivering daily needs!!! FFS!!!!
this country is f**king sh*t!!!!
f**k St George! I've jsut ripped mine off my van!!! [and no, it wasn't a stupid world-cup bandwagon flag - it was a vinyl one - before anyone starts]
this country is f**king sh*t!!!!
f**k St George! I've jsut ripped mine off my van!!! [and no, it wasn't a stupid world-cup bandwagon flag - it was a vinyl one - before anyone starts]
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