4WD performance cars with RWD bias
Discussion
I can't seem to find any info on this on the net, so am relying on the wonderful world of ph to help me out..
What 4WD performance cars push most of their power to the rear, and then transfer power to the front after you've had some fun with the back end without losing it.
I was out on a run with a couple of mates recently who run a GTR and a 996 Turbo.. And apparently they run power to the back and let you have some fun before bringing it all back into line.. Which sounds pretty interesting to me..
This is a potential what car thread with a 25k budget, as might swap the Focus RS.. However, it would also be interesting to know how 4WD performance cars above this price range distribute their power.
So what cars do the above.. details on F/R power distribution would also be helpful..
What 4WD performance cars push most of their power to the rear, and then transfer power to the front after you've had some fun with the back end without losing it.
I was out on a run with a couple of mates recently who run a GTR and a 996 Turbo.. And apparently they run power to the back and let you have some fun before bringing it all back into line.. Which sounds pretty interesting to me..
This is a potential what car thread with a 25k budget, as might swap the Focus RS.. However, it would also be interesting to know how 4WD performance cars above this price range distribute their power.
So what cars do the above.. details on F/R power distribution would also be helpful..
Most are fwd sending drive to rear when front slip or as in suburu case maybe max 50/50 split front to rear.
The main 4wd would be I can think maybe a bmw xdrive model (would have to be import) or a alpina 4wd. BMW set it up for rear wheel bias.
Some of the haldex systems can have the bias changed to the rear through modification, i.e a r32.
The main 4wd would be I can think maybe a bmw xdrive model (would have to be import) or a alpina 4wd. BMW set it up for rear wheel bias.
Some of the haldex systems can have the bias changed to the rear through modification, i.e a r32.
R32 / R33 / R34 GTR all did it, and all are well in your budget. It's actually a pretty nifty system which has seen a few tweaks over the years and still features on the current GTR - more on it here if you're interested - ATTESA. Fronts only get power when it's needed, and even then it's not that much.
911 turbos do much the same sort of thing, I believe most of the Audi RS4 and S4s offer a 40/60 split f/r, and some of the Subaru crowd can do more rear bias (66% rear rings a bell, could be wrong)
To name a few
(edited to fix dud link to ATTESA wiki article)
911 turbos do much the same sort of thing, I believe most of the Audi RS4 and S4s offer a 40/60 split f/r, and some of the Subaru crowd can do more rear bias (66% rear rings a bell, could be wrong)
To name a few
(edited to fix dud link to ATTESA wiki article)
Edited by Stu R on Wednesday 25th April 08:24
most are front biased or 50/50, nissan had to jump through hoops to get the R35 to be biased to the rear, sending the power down to the back and then back up to the front !
i have driven at least 6 different quattro cars in the last few months and only when your 100% on it can you tell a slight difference
there are mods to change the power split on haldex as well
i have driven at least 6 different quattro cars in the last few months and only when your 100% on it can you tell a slight difference
there are mods to change the power split on haldex as well
Stu R said:
R32 / R33 / R34 GTR all did it, and all are well in your budget. It's actually a pretty nifty system which has seen a few tweaks over the years and still features on the current GTR - more on it here if you're interested - ATTESA. Fronts only get power when it's needed, and even then it's not that much.
911 turbos do much the same sort of thing, I believe most of the Audi RS4 and S4s offer a 40/60 split f/r, and some of the Subaru crowd can do more rear bias (66% rear rings a bell, could be wrong)
To name a few
I want to read about ATTESA, can you fix your link? (It currently goes to a PH new post window!)911 turbos do much the same sort of thing, I believe most of the Audi RS4 and S4s offer a 40/60 split f/r, and some of the Subaru crowd can do more rear bias (66% rear rings a bell, could be wrong)
To name a few
I assume it was a link to the wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA
but any further information would be interesting to read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA
but any further information would be interesting to read...
I went down this rd a few months back with my Rs trouble is of all the 4wd cars ive driven (being in the trade not many i havent) you just dont get the fun factor, the closest i came was with the Evo 9 but even then imho you need 400bhp to get there cosworths are rwd bias but are getting old now.
Ive decided to keep the Focus for me but have been looking into getting another car for the wife (not that she knows yet
) ive been looking at M3's as i think i will then have the best of both worlds.
Your budget will get you in the lower end of amg 63 mercs for a crazy car that while not the best in handling has a fun factor of 11!
If your resigned to going 4wd then i think saving a bit more & either a gtr or a 996 turbo will be your best bet (running costs compared to the focus should be considered) as the Focus is a hell of a car to beat if you do manage to find a car that beats it let me know!!
Ive decided to keep the Focus for me but have been looking into getting another car for the wife (not that she knows yet
) ive been looking at M3's as i think i will then have the best of both worlds.Your budget will get you in the lower end of amg 63 mercs for a crazy car that while not the best in handling has a fun factor of 11!
If your resigned to going 4wd then i think saving a bit more & either a gtr or a 996 turbo will be your best bet (running costs compared to the focus should be considered) as the Focus is a hell of a car to beat if you do manage to find a car that beats it let me know!!
Stu R said:
R32 / R33 / R34 GTR all did it, and all are well in your budget. It's actually a pretty nifty system which has seen a few tweaks over the years and still features on the current GTR - more on it here if you're interested - ATTESA. Fronts only get power when it's needed, and even then it's not that much.
911 turbos do much the same sort of thing, I believe most of the Audi RS4 and S4s offer a 40/60 split f/r, and some of the Subaru crowd can do more rear bias (66% rear rings a bell, could be wrong)
To name a few
The AWD Infiniti's use the same system. RWD most of the time, and AWD when required. 911 turbos do much the same sort of thing, I believe most of the Audi RS4 and S4s offer a 40/60 split f/r, and some of the Subaru crowd can do more rear bias (66% rear rings a bell, could be wrong)
To name a few
Impreza Sti Type R - the two door model
I had one and you have an internal DCCD, which is basically a dial that means you can send about 70% off the power to the rear (which is where you leave the dial 95% of the time)
if the road gets slippy (ice/snow/rain) you can dial it in to 50/50
this is not done automatically by the car though, you do have to adjust it yourself..... which can be quite fun in the snow when you catch a monster drift, dial it to 50/50 and power away
I had one and you have an internal DCCD, which is basically a dial that means you can send about 70% off the power to the rear (which is where you leave the dial 95% of the time)
if the road gets slippy (ice/snow/rain) you can dial it in to 50/50
this is not done automatically by the car though, you do have to adjust it yourself..... which can be quite fun in the snow when you catch a monster drift, dial it to 50/50 and power away
Dave Hedgehog said:
most are front biased or 50/50, nissan had to jump through hoops to get the R35 to be biased to the rear, sending the power down to the back and then back up to the front !
The reason for the R35 GT-R setup was keeping the engine behind front axle I thought?Al the previous GT-Rs from 32-34 managed RWD bias just fine without that setup.
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