shimming vs adjustable push rods
shimming vs adjustable push rods
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debaron

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878 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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hello all,


Is there any reason why I shouldn't use adjustable push rods to set my hydraulic lifter preloads on my new engine build. My train of thought is as follows:

I'll be running quite high compression (heads skimmed, block decks skimmed) thus the relative lengths of standard push rods would be long and the pedestals will need a lot of shimming to bring it down.
This is going to alter the rocker geometry a bit and as my build is fully balanced with a lightened fly and cam designed for use quite high up the rev range, I could run into problems.

Adjustable rods solve this problem at a stroke, but it seems not many people use this route and go down the shimming road anyway, leading me to think there might be a reason why...

Cheers,

Ryan

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

209 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Id check to see how far they are out first, then go to adjustable rods if its quite a bit

Go solid lifter aswel you wimp!

Simon says

19,460 posts

251 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Shimming rocker posts hurl

debaron

Original Poster:

878 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Alexdaredevilz said:
Go solid lifter aswel you wimp!
Can't now - My Crower 50233 arrived yesterday - I'm committed smokin

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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debaron said:
Can't now - My Crower 50233 arrived yesterday - I'm committed smokin
Thats' the cam that I was going to fit but the twiceing fecker sent the wrong one then wouldn't change it,....rant over.

I would set it up with shims, check the numbers and rocker angles an if in doubt, go adjustable.

You wouldn't be the first.

clive f

7,259 posts

263 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I had a crower 233 in my griff, along with crane lifters and adjustable pushrods, the pushrods were excellent istead of messing around with shims, at least the pre load on each lifter was spot on.

Marty V8

578 posts

216 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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I just run a normal '885' cam in my Griff 500 and use adjustable rods. It probably makes no difference whatsoever, but I thought it would be better to get accurate pre-loads across all the followers instead of having to settle for shims that suit the majority of pre-load but not necessarily all of them.

debaron

Original Poster:

878 posts

227 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Marty V8 said:
I just run a normal '885' cam in my Griff 500 and use adjustable rods. It probably makes no difference whatsoever, but I thought it would be better to get accurate pre-loads across all the followers instead of having to settle for shims that suit the majority of pre-load but not necessarily all of them.
Hi Marty, did you need to enlarge the holes on the heads and have you had any problems with the rods breaking or splitting thus far?

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Breaking or splitting!

Is there evidence of this?

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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haircutmike said:
Breaking or splitting!

Is there evidence of this?
NO! now calm down and just drive your car

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Alexdaredevilz said:
haircutmike said:
Breaking or splitting!

Is there evidence of this?
NO! now calm down and just drive your car
No, it's raining!

debaron

Original Poster:

878 posts

227 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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haircutmike said:
Breaking or splitting!

Is there evidence of this?
To quote Pum from this thread:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

I don't fancy adjustable pushrods again as I really didn't like the way they split after a few years. So I'm looking at adjustable rockers as the alternative to be able to get the valve gear adjustments right on every cylinder and hopefully then cure the compression problems.

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Spend mentioned adjustable rockers, yank I believe.

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Here is a picture of Nigels rockers


haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Now that's the business!

£?

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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haircutmike said:
Now that's the business!

£?
To many monies!

Just start a Ford 302 conversion

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Alexdaredevilz said:
haircutmike said:
Now that's the business!

£?
To many monies!

Just start a Ford 302 conversion
Wrong answer, (at the mo).

Simon says

19,460 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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haircutmike said:
Spend mentioned adjustable rockers, yank I believe.
I make you right, I did Email these guys some time back http://www.harlandsharp.com/ and they can provide for the Rover and not as costly as you would imagine scratchchin Never much liked the fact you have to press the ends into those adjustable push rods and would imagine this is the cracking/failure point as Debaron pointed out frown hoping that's a 1 off though confused

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Simon says said:
make you right, I did Email these guys some time back http://www.harlandsharp.com/ and they can provide for the Rover and not as costly as you would imagine scratchchin Never much liked the fact you have to press the ends into those adjustable push rods and would imagine this is the cracking/failure point as Debaron pointed out frown hoping that's a 1 off though confused
Just sent off an enquiry.

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

209 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Simon says said:
Never much liked the fact you have to press the ends into those adjustable push rods
Yup I made a banana out of one trying to get the tips in