Adult crime- adult penalty for youths ?
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I have often thought that if someone commits an "adult" crime, I mean serious crime like murder, GBH etc etc, that no matter how young they are they should be treated the same as an adult when it comes to sentencing. A bit harsh some may say but consider this. You come home one day and find your family has been shot for no apparent reason.....just a kid "playing" with a gun( for arguaments sake, dont worry where he got it from) or an arguament that got out of hand. Surely it's only just that they get the same as an adult. BiB what is the law on serious crimes and youths ( say below 12 ).
Age of criminal responsibility is 10 years old and above...Under that..nothing...
Venables and Thomson who killed Jamie Bulger in the horrific case in Liverpool a decade or so ago, were just over 10 at the time...If they had been 6 months younger...nothing could have been done...Frightening, isn't it?
Street
Venables and Thomson who killed Jamie Bulger in the horrific case in Liverpool a decade or so ago, were just over 10 at the time...If they had been 6 months younger...nothing could have been done...Frightening, isn't it?
Street
Streetcop said:That's exactly what I am concerned about Streetcop.
Age of criminal responsibility is 10 years old and above...Under that..nothing...
Venables and Thomson who killed Jamie Bulger in the horrific case in Liverpool a decade or so ago, were just over 10 at the time...If they had been 6 months younger...nothing could have been done...Frightening, isn't it?
Street
Kids today by and large show a lower level of respect for people and property than older people ( I know there are always exceptions )
Sign of the times I,m afraid. Therefore I am saying that it is time the law is changed so that these mini thugs perhaps think twice before commiting a serious crime. I reckon a lot of them know the current law and play on it.
Streetcop said:
Blademan,
National service...get it back in...
I cant see how parenting is about national service to be honest.
The fault lies fairly and squarely at the upbringing and general attitude of scum and their kin.
Forcing them into military or civil service isnt going to change this one bit.
plotloss said:Not entirely sure I agree about the National service bit. What you say re Upbringing etc is certainly true. I personally think that Scrotes behavior is passed on from the previous generation. Crime breeds crime. Kids tend to mimik what their parents do.
Blademan,
National service...get it back in...
I cant see how parenting is about national service to be honest.
The fault lies fairly and squarely at the upbringing and general attitude of scum and their kin.
Forcing them into military or civil service isnt going to change this one bit.
plotloss said:
Streetcop said:
Blademan,
National service...get it back in...
I cant see how parenting is about national service to be honest.
The fault lies fairly and squarely at the upbringing and general attitude of scum and their kin.
Forcing them into military or civil service isnt going to change this one bit.
Agree with Plotloss... lack of respect for others is the problem.
Bring back corporal punishment in schools, let parents smack and police clip ears.
Everyone at my school was worried about a good caning if they stepped out of line... now all they get is suspended/expelled.
>> Edited by cliffe_mafia on Monday 26th July 11:53
>> Edited by cliffe_mafia on Monday 26th July 11:54
Probably lucky in that I did carry out threats to throw away my kids favourite toys when they were younger.(In most cases just hid them away). This convinced them that misbehaving was not worth it! They now have too much to lose. Still worry tho! still have a distance to go with them.
What we had when we were kids that you dont see now is social standards policing.
If you played up at home, bollocking from the parents probably a clip around the ear, do it at school same from the teacher, do it in front a copper much the same. However it was also a case of do it in front of anyone that your parents could possibly have come into contact with and justice was delivered from them too.
Now, due to legal nonsense and threat of being sued no one wants to issue justice to anyone.
Its bonkers.
If you played up at home, bollocking from the parents probably a clip around the ear, do it at school same from the teacher, do it in front a copper much the same. However it was also a case of do it in front of anyone that your parents could possibly have come into contact with and justice was delivered from them too.
Now, due to legal nonsense and threat of being sued no one wants to issue justice to anyone.
Its bonkers.
My old man was one of the first of the generation to miss National Service, they scrapped it around the time he was due (much to my grandfather's disgust! 
)
So I have been brough up by someone who didn't do National Service. Other than being snapped by a Gatso 5 years ago (yes, I am a eeeevil crim for that!) have never been the wrong side of the law. My father didn't need to do national service to bring me up well and I didn't need to do national service to behave myself.
I don't think we need compulsory National Service to sort the little scrotes out, but I'm not sure what exactly we do need either...
Altho this:-
Is a very good point and almost certainly helped keep me on the straight and narrow.
>> Edited by TahitiBlue on Monday 26th July 12:16
) So I have been brough up by someone who didn't do National Service. Other than being snapped by a Gatso 5 years ago (yes, I am a eeeevil crim for that!) have never been the wrong side of the law. My father didn't need to do national service to bring me up well and I didn't need to do national service to behave myself.
I don't think we need compulsory National Service to sort the little scrotes out, but I'm not sure what exactly we do need either...
Altho this:-
plotloss said:
If you played up at home, bollocking from the parents probably a clip around the ear, do it at school same from the teacher, do it in front a copper much the same. However it was also a case of do it in front of anyone that your parents could possibly have come into contact with and justice was delivered from them too.
Is a very good point and almost certainly helped keep me on the straight and narrow.
>> Edited by TahitiBlue on Monday 26th July 12:16
plotloss said:I was smacked and occasionally hit with a stick from my mum would you believe. Didn't do me any harm ( didn't like it at the time though ) but the thought of using a stick today
What we had when we were kids that you dont see now is social standards policing.
If you played up at home, bollocking from the parents probably a clip around the ear, do it at school same from the teacher, do it in front a copper much the same. However it was also a case of do it in front of anyone that your parents could possibly have come into contact with and justice was delivered from them too.
Now, due to legal nonsense and threat of being sued no one wants to issue justice to anyone.
Its bonkers.
P.S. It was only a small stick kept for "special occaisons"
Streetcop said:
Blademan,
I can't see it getting any better....and possibly will get worse...
Too much 'slack' is given to the youth of today..
National service...get it back in...
Street
Liebchen
Switzerland still has National Service. They say we need it as EU has beady eyes on our gold!
By law - we have to keep rifle and explosives in the house - in case of invasion and all tunnels are mined, and there are shelters for our people beneath some of them. Our males had to spend two years on conscription - some did it before Uni and some on graduation. They regarded it as absolute pain in the
Did it instil discipline in them?
Er! They learned how to use Swiss Army pen knives properly - and I would think twice about upsetting them - as they know how to thump you good and proper! They also know how to use rifles and set explosives, and have experience of
And they hold no punches on these fora either! Um - you read their rebellious posts on Cumbria's site - yet? 
One of them is running close to getting banned by Steve there who cannot take any criticism anyway! 
Ach! They drive relatively legally wherever - on basis that if they (foreign redidents) do get copped speeding - they could spend night in cells here!
Seriously - Switzerland has dark side. You would not believe the crime rate, dodgy financial transactions, and big gangster drug offences which go on in Zurich, Basel, Berne, Biel, and even chocolate box pretty Luzern. So - not improved our crime rate! But they do think twice about burglary as the men all know how to use those rifles!
plotloss said:
What we had when we were kids that you dont see now is social standards policing.
If you played up at home, bollocking from the parents probably a clip around the ear, do it at school same from the teacher, do it in front a copper much the same. However it was also a case of do it in front of anyone that your parents could possibly have come into contact with and justice was delivered from them too.
Now, due to legal nonsense and threat of being sued no one wants to issue justice to anyone.
Its bonkers.
Um - when we were kids - parental discipline was tough!
My brothers all got into trouble when 14 year old English relative got a fine for walking across road when red man was showing. Parental view was that "my eldest cousins and brothers were responsible for his safety and that they should have been more aware!"
Play up at home and it was certain look, voice tone and "count to three and then carry on ... smack!"
Got hammered by my Papa for blatantly disobeying him once.
Being mere girlies - bob-sleigh up the mountain was "verboten" - so we were about 15, dressed up in male attire and went on it! (Ach - well - SPEED ain't it and it is definitely safer than the luge and that can be fun too - all that naughty, naughty speeding very fast down hill!)
Can still remember the severe rollocking we got for this!
Same as when I was a "door monitor" at school. When Papa found out - was in big trouble with him as well with headteacher!
And don't know about you lot - but could tell as soon as teacher walked in through door as to whether we could "mess" or not!
Has not done any of us any harm - we are law abiding and fairly well adjusted and sane (except when it comes to Gatsos and senseless speed traps!)
Some time ago ... I hear in supermarket to stroppy kid ..
"If you continue to be naughty darling, you will make Mummy very sad"
b
ks My version - "Continue sonny, and hand will meet with botty!" Except if skin turns red now - I could get done for assault here according to recent law!
And that is problem! Do they mean bright red, or slightly pinkish?
Anyway - my children are like me - if I were to tell them naughty behaviour would make me very sad in whingy way - they would take me for proverbial ride!
Nothing wrong with a small slap from time to time!
Plenty wrong with namby pamby politically correct nonsense!
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