16k to Spend. FFRR or Disco 3?
Discussion
Currently have a Freelander 2 and like it immensely, however, boat towing duties mean that it needs to be replaced with something with an auto box and a low ratio gear box, the terrain response stuff just won't do it. My launching ramp isn't the best!
Given my budget of around 16k it looks like a choice between a Disco 3 or a FFRR... I realise that they both could give my wallet a serious going over, but which will do the most damage in the long run? I live up in the Highlands and do about 12k miles a year. The rural location makes finding a decent Indy for servicing a bit of an effort but I can travel down to the big cities if necessary.
Leaning towards the FFRR because my better half prefers the look of them. I've driven a Disco 3 and liked it, not driven a Range Rover for about 15 years.
Given my budget of around 16k it looks like a choice between a Disco 3 or a FFRR... I realise that they both could give my wallet a serious going over, but which will do the most damage in the long run? I live up in the Highlands and do about 12k miles a year. The rural location makes finding a decent Indy for servicing a bit of an effort but I can travel down to the big cities if necessary.
Leaning towards the FFRR because my better half prefers the look of them. I've driven a Disco 3 and liked it, not driven a Range Rover for about 15 years.
The gf has a D3 to tow the horses, not had a FFRR so can't comment on a comparison objectively, but we compared it to a RRS when we were choosing.
The D3 is an immensly capable beast, very comfy, nice place to be inside (particularly for some "dad driving") though obviously does not have the "gentlemans drawing room" feel of the RR. It's staggering off road, amazing just what it can do.
gf preferred the squared boot line and roomier feel inside the D3 compared to the RRS more rakish and car like feel to the interior. Hers is an HSE spec with a few extras on top, so gives a RR a run for its money in terms of toys.
Can't comment on comparable running costs but hers does like a drink, though the roof rack and spotlights dont help.
The D3 is an immensly capable beast, very comfy, nice place to be inside (particularly for some "dad driving") though obviously does not have the "gentlemans drawing room" feel of the RR. It's staggering off road, amazing just what it can do.
gf preferred the squared boot line and roomier feel inside the D3 compared to the RRS more rakish and car like feel to the interior. Hers is an HSE spec with a few extras on top, so gives a RR a run for its money in terms of toys.
Can't comment on comparable running costs but hers does like a drink, though the roof rack and spotlights dont help.
terrain response - just another knob for 'knobs' who cannot drive a 4x4?
do you need to 'tell' the car its on grass/sand/mud?
nanny society at its worst - bet 90/110 defender owners feel inadequate without all the 'knobs'!
get a FFRR before the knobs! - it will do what you require with no fuss/histrionics - lol!
if really want terrain response the following should be added
a) waitrose/sainsbury car park
b) school pavement/road/grass verge
c) anywhere with a kerb
all lol in my opinion of course!
do you need to 'tell' the car its on grass/sand/mud?
nanny society at its worst - bet 90/110 defender owners feel inadequate without all the 'knobs'!
get a FFRR before the knobs! - it will do what you require with no fuss/histrionics - lol!
if really want terrain response the following should be added
a) waitrose/sainsbury car park
b) school pavement/road/grass verge
c) anywhere with a kerb
all lol in my opinion of course!
Edited by grand cherokee on Saturday 28th April 12:35
boy said:http://www.lro.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t...
http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/6-range-rover-mar...
Try these.
So before anyone buys a Range Rover they should find out how many gears the auto box has (1st link) and make sure you do not put a handbag on the hill descent lever (2nd link).http://www.rangerovers.net/forum/6-range-rover-mar...
Try these.
Ok, will do.
dazco said:
So before anyone buys a Range Rover they should find out how many gears the auto box has (1st link) and make sure you do not put a handbag on the hill descent lever (2nd link).
Ok, will do.
No they should visit a toyota dealer and buy a land cruiser before buying anything other than a defender although few on this forum will agree with this view.Ok, will do.
L322's have known issues with autoboxes and the front diffs. To be honest I had a Quick google on my phone and posted the links without fully reading them in an attempt to help the OP apologies if they are not as informative as I had thought.
David Beer said:
Had three rr and now have a 90xs,Svx convertible and a griff 500' not posh but love the defenders, rainy day xs, sunny the Svx, the griff less used. The fenders can sit at legal speeds and you het out the end of the journey only a few minutes later than a rr. Having said that, I might be looking for a ff rangie soon, only because I do do 1500'miles a year, and you can only have the right four by four!!
I have a FFR an 03 with 113k on its a great car I have the 4.4 petrol running on LPG. The front Diff problem should have been sorted there was a recall for early models if you buy an earlier than 05 check the recall has been done.
The gearbox problem is well documented on the various RR forums if its a 4.4 petrol BMW engine the main problem is cooling the gearbox oil, its is cooled via the radiator which gets blocked at the bottom which is the part that cools the gearbox. It cannot be flushed successfully so problems with overheated gearbox occurs.
The gearbox also needs an oil change at 100k miles (BMW says sealed for life) Mine had a problem with the torque converter clutch failing. I did the work myself for about £300.
The diesel FFR does also have gearbox problems but not sure of the issues. The more modern FFRs are different with Jag engines not sure of any issues here.
Hope that helps
Mick
The gearbox problem is well documented on the various RR forums if its a 4.4 petrol BMW engine the main problem is cooling the gearbox oil, its is cooled via the radiator which gets blocked at the bottom which is the part that cools the gearbox. It cannot be flushed successfully so problems with overheated gearbox occurs.
The gearbox also needs an oil change at 100k miles (BMW says sealed for life) Mine had a problem with the torque converter clutch failing. I did the work myself for about £300.
The diesel FFR does also have gearbox problems but not sure of the issues. The more modern FFRs are different with Jag engines not sure of any issues here.
Hope that helps
Mick
Are they really cracking motors?
I am thinking of getting an 04 or 05 or 06 but I read so many horror stories that it scares me to bits.
And when they go wrong, they appear to be a rather expensive affair.
I changed my mind for a Disco 3 but doing my homework they seem no better.
I am presently in the frame of mind to get a 5 series estate but would have preferred one of the Land Rover products if I could muster some confidence in them.
I am thinking of getting an 04 or 05 or 06 but I read so many horror stories that it scares me to bits.
And when they go wrong, they appear to be a rather expensive affair.
I changed my mind for a Disco 3 but doing my homework they seem no better.
I am presently in the frame of mind to get a 5 series estate but would have preferred one of the Land Rover products if I could muster some confidence in them.
We did 60k in the FFRR, have done about 40k so far in the D3, yes tyres and consumables aren't cheap, but that's no different to the catastrophically unreliable X5 we had before them.... we've had a few problems yes, but likewise no more or less than any other car. Every model has their horror stories, even supposedly "reliable" makes like VW and Audi - if you read up on their cars on the net you wouldn't buy one either...
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