The old ones are the best!

[mat777]

I've just been having a retro cartoon session, focussing mainly on Tom and Jerry. They may be 60+ years old, I may 20 now and have watched them all to death (well, the death of the videotape anyway) as a child, but by god they still made me laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tazI7VIHM_w&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQUNVstZWf8 (am I the only one who thinks 1:13 to 1:23 would make an awesome "abandon thread" gif?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of3_LZQtrLg

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional! Does anyone else still laugh at the old nostalgic cartoons whilst tutting at the crap that passes for kids cartoons these days?

[Joyrider1]

Whatever happened to Popeye, that's what I want to know.

[Simpo Two]

Tom and Jerry - the Fred Quimby ones were proper animation, the later Hanna Barbera ones less good.


Was it really banned for 'violence' or some other reason like copyright?

[Eric Mc]

here are also "racial" issues in some of these older animations which would not be tolerated today.

Indeed, some Tom and Jery and Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s and 40s have not been seen since the early 1970s.

[Marf]

Eric Mc said:

here are also "racial" issues in some of these older animations which would not be tolerated today.

Indeed, some Tom and Jery and Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s and 40s have not been seen since the early 1970s.

You can buy those episodes on DVD and the following disclaimer is flashed up on screen before you watch

"Some of the cartoons you are about to see are a product of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros.' view of today's society, some of these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

[vixen1700]

Simpo Two said:

Tom and Jerry - the Fred Quimby ones were proper animation, the later Hanna Barbera ones less good.

True, the Hannah Barbera ones were dreadful.

Years ago I paid a fortune for an old Tom and Jerry reference book just so I could get the correct Quimby drawings & colourings for a tattoo.

[Eric Mc]

Marf said:

Eric Mc said:

here are also "racial" issues in some of these older animations which would not be tolerated today.

Indeed, some Tom and Jery and Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s and 40s have not been seen since the early 1970s.

You can buy those episodes on DVD and the following disclaimer is flashed up on screen before you watch

"Some of the cartoons you are about to see are a product of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros.' view of today's society, some of these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

I think that's good that they are still prepared to release them.

20 odd years ago BBC had a programme called "Rolf's Cartoon Time" or something like that where Rolf Harris would introduce some classic MGM, Warner Bros, Universal or Disney animated shorts. He often included some of these "iffy" themed films with a little bit of historical and cultural background.

[mat777]

Eric Mc said:

Marf said:

Eric Mc said:

here are also "racial" issues in some of these older animations which would not be tolerated today.

Indeed, some Tom and Jery and Warner Brothers cartoons from the 30s and 40s have not been seen since the early 1970s.

You can buy those episodes on DVD and the following disclaimer is flashed up on screen before you watch

"Some of the cartoons you are about to see are a product of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros.' view of today's society, some of these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

I think that's good that they are still prepared to release them.

20 odd years ago BBC had a programme called "Rolf's Cartoon Time" or something like that where Rolf Harris would introduce some classic MGM, Warner Bros, Universal or Disney animated shorts. He often included some of these "iffy" themed films with a little bit of historical and cultural background.

It does seem to be a bit hit and miss with banning the non-PC cartoons.

Oddly enough, I've seen some banned Warner cartoons on youtube, such as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLWPxhIB88 which isnt really racist at all, just poking a bit of fun at the wartime enemy

whereas this cartoon was on a Tom and Jerry videotape I had once that had absolutely no racist warnings at all, despite featuring what more Pc tryes would consider to be shocking sterotypes about tribal culture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvVLJIulBjE

[mat777]

Oh dear, I've just stumbled across a "new" Tom and Jerry Cartoon....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TCh6jU3olY&fea...

Jesus Christ, thats poor

[Halb]

The Quimby ones were the best. The best of the golden age of cartoons are still better than 90% of output since. They were sometimes racist, sexist and misogynistic but it doesn't distract from their greatness.

I fondly remember when there would be a random cartoon stuck in near the news when channels had time to do that and the schedule allowed it. Doesn't happen anymore. I don't know if it's because they would rather stick voiceover adverts in for upcoming programmes or the advent of the 100% 24 hour cartoon channels not allowing it. Some weeks ago Channel 5 showed a slew of Disney films, and they slotted in a few classic Disney shorts in before them, it was magic.
Kind of a shame that kids don't get to experience that unexpected 'treat' anymore before the parent watches the news. Now the kids will watch some 24/7 channel on their iphone. Nothing is special.

Eric Mc said:

20 odd years ago BBC had a programme called "Rolf's Cartoon Time" or something like that where Rolf Harris would introduce some classic MGM, Warner Bros, Universal or Disney animated shorts. He often included some of these "iffy" themed films with a little bit of historical and cultural background.

One of y favourite shows when I was a kid. Rolf brought them alive and it showe he had a real appreciation and love for the whole business.
Rolf was ace.

[Eric Mc]

BBC's Arena did an excellent special on Chuck Jones as well. It might be worth searching to see if its available online.

[zac510]

I remember that "Jerry's cousin" one like it was yesterday! Thanks for the nostalgia hit

[zac510]

How about this classic:
Duck Amuck http://vimeo.com/23806273

[miniman]

Roadrunner for me. Meep meeep.

[Halb]

Of course you know, this means war.

Eric Mc said:

BBC's Arena did an excellent special on Chuck Jones as well. It might be worth searching to see if its available online.

I looked. Only three arenas in the BBC archives. Can't find it elsewhere.
When was it on?

hmm is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ca7iNqDTxs

[kiteless]

miniman said:

Roadrunner for me. Meep meeep.

Top quality.

[hidetheelephants]

Not really in the same ballpark as far as age is concerned, but I enjoyed 'The Tick' the first time around and having downloaded it to replace the unwatchable worn out VHS it's still good now, barring the odd episode where the script wanders off piste.

'SPOOOOOONNN!'

[Crafty_]

Was at a mates place yesterday and we were sat watching Tom & Jerry with his 4 & 5 year old sons, just never gets old

[miniman]

Daughter is currently watching Baby Loony Tunes. What a crock of st.

[Eric Mc]

Halb said:

I looked. Only three arenas in the BBC archives. Can't find it elsewhere.
When was it on?

hmm is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ca7iNqDTxs

That's it

It was obviously an independently made film that the BBC showed as part of their Arena series.