Co level
Author
Discussion

johntom

Original Poster:

248 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
Hi
Just got the wedge through its first mot in several years but the Co was 0.78 which I think is too low. What should it be on a '86 350i and do I turn the screw on the airflow meter clock wise to make the mixture richer?
Many thanks

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

291 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
Nice it passed with flying colours through its MOT. That the CO can be that low is an indication that the whole engine and system to run it is healthy! (or you have an inlet air leak wink )
CO depends.... around 4 vol% for power (some even go to 5%), 3 vol% for a compromise and sufficient to pass MOT (think it should be less than 3.5%). All of this on a standard 3.5 with flapper.

Adjust clockwise at the AFM to increase CO as it makes the air bypass in the AFM smaller and less 'non metered' air make more CO.

Once had to unscrew the adjuster to its maximum to pass the MOT just. Later top tip on pistonheads to undo it completely and clean it. After that I could set idle rpm as I wanted and CO as well. Never tried CO below 3% on my wedge as too lean kills engines.....

Rob

Wedg1e

27,041 posts

295 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
Every time I've played with my setup specifically aiming for a low CO, the car has run like a bag of spanners. Anything under 3.5% and I leave it alone!

mrzigazaga

18,816 posts

195 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
Also bear in mind that it can be a little rich on idle and then filters out when you drive it..Doesnt a lean fuel mix burn hotter?..Id rather be rich any day...Ziga

johntom

Original Poster:

248 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
Hi and thanks for the replies
The tester said I could take it back when he was less busy and use the co machine, so that's what I will do. I realise that it can't be set accurately without the correct gear but does anyone know roughly what effect say 1/4 or 1/2 a turn clockwise would have on the mixture as I would like to richen it up before I drive it any distance?
Also what should the warm tickover be?
Thanks again

JMF894

6,636 posts

185 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
When i had mine set up recently it was apparently ticking over at around 8% eek which can be equally bad.

I seem to remember he said it was adjusted down to around 3.5%

Doesn't rev out as freely now but engine may last a bit longer!

Jimbo

Wedg1e

27,041 posts

295 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
I seem to remember that 3.5% is the MOT limit for engines built before a certain date.

wild rover

449 posts

211 months

Thursday 3rd May 2012
quotequote all
your correst with your limit mine just scrapped through.

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Friday 4th May 2012
quotequote all
Bear in mind this is only idle CO - when you open the throttle even a crack the air meter works properly and the TPS gives a burst of extra juice.

Sometimes I have had to bypass the bypass with a small pipe!

johntom

Original Poster:

248 posts

233 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
quotequote all
Hi
I had a quick tweak with the alan screw adjuster on the afm (car warm, clockwise to increase co) but no noticable difference ?. I expected an increase in tickover but nothing happened, should there have been with 1/2 to 1 turn or is it not adjusting?
Thanks

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
quotequote all
It's probably not that sensitive - try screwing it all the way in and count how many turns, then measure the CO. Then screw it out half that amount and try again. You should see a few percent difference.

JMF894

6,636 posts

185 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
quotequote all
Just passed MOT today

Looking at the certificate CO2 limit 3.5% actual was 0.94%

Jimbo

johntom

Original Poster:

248 posts

233 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
quotequote all
Hi
Not too far away from my result. I screwed the adjuster all the way in and counted 8 full turns, I have now turned it out 4 turns and will see how that effects things when I get the chance to take it back.

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Wednesday 9th May 2012
quotequote all
I got a halfrauds CO meter 10 years ago - quite a good investment over the years for a pre-check.

JMF894

6,636 posts

185 months

Wednesday 9th May 2012
quotequote all
350zWelgje said:

Never tried CO below 3% on my wedge as too lean kills engines.....


Really? Should i be worried with a tickover CO2 reading of 0.94 then? I have noticed the car is not as free to rev at the top end as it was before my engine tune. It really is quite different.

Could someone talk me through how i adjust the co2 on a 450 flapper just in case? Cheers

Jimbo

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

291 months

Wednesday 9th May 2012
quotequote all
Correct that CO at idle doesn't say a lot...., to start even more confusion!
On flappers it is not only setting CO for idle, it does it throughout the full rev range based on it. So lean at idle means probably (but have no proof) lean at all times...
Best is a rolling road, but not having that or want to spend the money (on my standard engine) I just use the 3% as a reference just for myself (personal 80/20 rule logic). It is information and with 'wilder' and non-standard engines in TVRs I would not go about it that way and would have it setup properly.

Have a Gunson CO-tester to be sure my engine is tuned ok: I think it is worth the money, like to tune smash my own engines, it saves me potential MOT agrivation and the cost for it to be setup at a garage. This tester doesn't cost a bomb, but it is only for CO and not full blown 4-gas etc., but on older engines it is all you need for exhaust gas tuning.

So perhaps an investment in a gunson CO-tester is the way forward.

Rob