Question of Priorities?
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BiB Bashin' time again! Sorry Strassen
, Dibbles, gone Liebchen et al!
But we had the Grauniad bashin' us petrolheads ....
Meanwhile in the "Mail" ... Page 5 Andrew Levy reports
Police Too Busy To Investigate £5000 Raid .. But Put SIX Men On Speed Trap Duty Nearby!"
Tony Oldfield waited 8 days for cops to turn up after viloent robbery at his firm.
But - he had re-assuring sight of police officers near his firm --- manning a speed trap!
He rages:
"It's obvious what is more important to them - copping motorists not burglars!"
Streaky Liebchen - what we we saying about Durham jail?
"After all - they get £60 per cop and nowt in it for them from copping burglars" fumes Mr Oldfield!
He went on to describe how these thugs drove people carreir to his Essex firm, cut into canvas cover of 18 ton truck and unloaded £5000 of telephone equipment before being challenged by one of the workers there.The worker tried to tackle the thugs, but they fought him off. Mr Oldfield's chaps gave chase in one of the cars whilst cops were called.
The firm had whole incident on CCTV footage - and all they got from police was... crime number and visit 8 days later - but only after local paper slated them over it!
Two days later - six cops turned up ... to set up a speed trap! Three manning their laser doo-dahs and three further dowwn road NIPping the hapless just-over safe drivin' victims
Mr Oldfield: "Arriving 8 days later is pointless - these thugs and our gear will be long gone by then! If they turned up on the 999 call their job would be much easier!"
Fair comment - what do you think Strassen Liebchen
und the other sehr sehr lieben BiBs
Essex police said yesterday to "Mail" reporter that they had been far too busy to respond to the 999 call to take statements!
"There were no units available and lot of other things were going on!" said the cops!
( Now that would not have been the aforementioned speed trap - surely not
"Everything has to be prioritised and wee had details of the vehicle involved"
no doubt it would turn up speeding past scene of crime two days later
This is same Force which came under fire in may when it emerged that their RTACs and KSIs had risen by whopping 25% despite forests of yellow tins in the county! The one whose 100 so-called dedicated cops notch up £510k in overtime for this (when they would be better employed copping the people the Durham cops cop each day! (As well as sterling work put in by Dibble and dare I say Strassen et al! )
This force has also seen 20% increas in croim over this last fiscal year too - their OWN figures! Largest increase in country and reportedly whopping 44% increase in violent crime!
Hmmm!
Norman Brennan of Victims Trust said this kind of practice undermines public confidence in police and criminal justice systems. He added that police should have visited Mr Oldfield and apologised for not responding immediately to original 999 call as this was violent crime with good chance of copping the thugs involved!
But Mr Brennan does say that the fault does not really lie with our hardworking BiBs - but with the Government - weighing them down with red tape, political correctness that they are at stand still!
( yup - agree there - Tone and crones are in lalalalala land!
Still - actions speak louder than words and it really highlights the obsession with speed traps and copping the trivial and lucrative blips to exclusion of real policing.
, Dibbles, gone Liebchen et al! But we had the Grauniad bashin' us petrolheads ....
Meanwhile in the "Mail" ... Page 5 Andrew Levy reports
Police Too Busy To Investigate £5000 Raid .. But Put SIX Men On Speed Trap Duty Nearby!"
Tony Oldfield waited 8 days for cops to turn up after viloent robbery at his firm.
But - he had re-assuring sight of police officers near his firm --- manning a speed trap!
He rages:
"It's obvious what is more important to them - copping motorists not burglars!"
Streaky Liebchen - what we we saying about Durham jail?
"After all - they get £60 per cop and nowt in it for them from copping burglars" fumes Mr Oldfield!
He went on to describe how these thugs drove people carreir to his Essex firm, cut into canvas cover of 18 ton truck and unloaded £5000 of telephone equipment before being challenged by one of the workers there.The worker tried to tackle the thugs, but they fought him off. Mr Oldfield's chaps gave chase in one of the cars whilst cops were called.
The firm had whole incident on CCTV footage - and all they got from police was... crime number and visit 8 days later - but only after local paper slated them over it!
Two days later - six cops turned up ... to set up a speed trap!
Three manning their laser doo-dahs and three further dowwn road NIPping the hapless just-over safe drivin' victims Mr Oldfield: "Arriving 8 days later is pointless - these thugs and our gear will be long gone by then! If they turned up on the 999 call their job would be much easier!"
Fair comment - what do you think Strassen
Liebchen und the other sehr sehr lieben BiBs Essex police said yesterday to "Mail" reporter that they had been far too busy to respond to the 999 call to take statements!
"There were no units available and lot of other things were going on!" said the cops!
( Now that would not have been the aforementioned speed trap - surely not
"Everything has to be prioritised and wee had details of the vehicle involved"
no doubt it would turn up speeding past scene of crime two days later
This is same Force which came under fire in may when it emerged that their RTACs and KSIs had risen by whopping 25% despite forests of yellow tins in the county! The one whose 100 so-called dedicated cops notch up £510k in overtime for this (when they would be better employed copping the people the Durham cops cop each day! (As well as sterling work put in by Dibble and dare I say Strassen
et al! ) This force has also seen 20% increas in croim over this last fiscal year too - their OWN figures! Largest increase in country and reportedly whopping 44% increase in violent crime!
Hmmm!
Norman Brennan of Victims Trust said this kind of practice undermines public confidence in police and criminal justice systems. He added that police should have visited Mr Oldfield and apologised for not responding immediately to original 999 call as this was violent crime with good chance of copping the thugs involved!
But Mr Brennan does say that the fault does not really lie with our hardworking BiBs - but with the Government - weighing them down with red tape, political correctness that they are at stand still!
( yup - agree there - Tone and crones are in lalalalala land!
Still - actions speak louder than words and it really highlights the obsession with speed traps and copping the trivial and lucrative blips to exclusion of real policing.
wilde Katze - I quite agree. BiB in better light in interview with Steve Green (Notts CC) in same paper (IIRC). Mind you, I saw over the w/end that the Met average only three convictions (how defined I know not) per BiB per annum! Hardly worth having them is it? Sir Robert must be spining in his grave! - Streaky
Sir Robert must be spining in his grave! - StreakyFirstly,
Do they know it was a speed trap?
Secondly
Where was the violence?
Papers have a tencancy to lay the butter on thick to get their message across
6 officers do not usually congregate to perform speed checks. Sounds more like ANPR to me in which case the owner of the factory has assumed because he did not get an instant response.
Sad to say it yet again, but Police resources are like petrol in your tamk. When its run out, you go nowhere fast!
It is unfortunate that Police were unable to attend on the night but if they were not dealing with such utter crap most of the time, they may well be available to send someone to stuff like this.
Whether they attended 8 hours later or even 8 days later, it would not alter any of the facts and most probably not alter any of the available evidence.
Its like attending a damage only car crash! Why break your neck to get there unless it is on a dangerous stretch of road and there is a likelyhood of others becoming involved? Having crashed, the scene will not move and if it does, then someone will tell us when we do get there some 8 days later.
>> Edited by gone on Wednesday 28th July 09:00
Do they know it was a speed trap?
Secondly
Where was the violence?
Papers have a tencancy to lay the butter on thick to get their message across
6 officers do not usually congregate to perform speed checks. Sounds more like ANPR to me in which case the owner of the factory has assumed because he did not get an instant response.
Sad to say it yet again, but Police resources are like petrol in your tamk. When its run out, you go nowhere fast!
It is unfortunate that Police were unable to attend on the night but if they were not dealing with such utter crap most of the time, they may well be available to send someone to stuff like this.
Whether they attended 8 hours later or even 8 days later, it would not alter any of the facts and most probably not alter any of the available evidence.
Its like attending a damage only car crash! Why break your neck to get there unless it is on a dangerous stretch of road and there is a likelyhood of others becoming involved? Having crashed, the scene will not move and if it does, then someone will tell us when we do get there some 8 days later
. >> Edited by gone on Wednesday 28th July 09:00
IIRC, WildCat will know a speedtrap when she sees one... The Cumbrian scammers try to park illegally on her property!!!
Local plod really managed to piss me off when my car got broken into. Too busy to investigate, but not too busy to put a speed trap at the end of my street the next day
And yes, I do know what a in a bush with a speedcam looks like
It's very very wrong!
Local plod really managed to piss me off when my car got broken into. Too busy to investigate, but not too busy to put a speed trap at the end of my street the next day
And yes, I do know what a
in a bush with a speedcam looks like It's very very wrong!
BliarOut said:
IIRC, WildCat will know a speedtrap when she sees one... The Cumbrian scammers try to park illegally on her property!!!
Local plod really managed to piss me off when my car got broken into. Too busy to investigate, but not too busy to put a speed trap at the end of my street the next day
And yes, I do know what a
It's very very wrong!
yeah..yeah..I'm sure she would know what a speedtrap would look like, but she didn't SEE it did she? She read about it in a 'tabloid' trying to be a 'quality'.
Sounds very much like an ANPR to me also...
If such a crime happens and the villains have escaped...there's no point in closing down the ANPR operation to 'look' for the escaped criminals as they could be anywhere...Other methods of detection would be employed.
It's a bit like when I stop someone and during speaking to them at the kerbside, someone else drives past either speeding, no seat belt or on the phone. The driver that I've stopped will say "Aren't you going to catch them too?"
Answer:
"No, I'm dealing with YOU" Only recently the 'flying squad' and SO19 caught an armed gang nearby Heathrow airport as they were in the process of a large robbery. Less than half a mile away a scamera partnership van was doing their thing. NO newspaper mentioned the talivan on that occasion...as it's not newsworthy and doesn't whip up the public on that occasion...
Must be nice to be able to report what you want....
Street
what they report as long as it puts the scamera partnership in a bad light...Here's another example of how little the police "service" thinks of crime today.
My son-in-law is a postman: last Friday he was delivering parcels in a Royal Mail van. Among the parcels were a number of "high-value" items - foreign currency - being delivered to a number of banks.
The vehicle was parked outside one bank in the High Street when it was robbed of a number of the "high value" items. The robbery was seen and reported to the police immediately. The scene was covered by the bank's own CCTV. The value of currency stolen runs to several thousands of pounds, together with other items.
Apparently this is not an uncommon crime. Indeed, my SiL was told that the thieves order the currency themselves and then rob the delivery van when it arrives - they know that many of the banks, building societies and travel agents use the Royal Mail for these deliveries.
So we have a crime that was (a) witnessed, (b) recorded, (c) of high value and (d) to an established pattern.
What did the local BiB do? Upon report ... nothing! No attendance, no instructions, nothing. They later telephoned the depot and told them to call my SiL and tell him to finish his deliveries and that they would "try" to interview him back at the depot later that day (he had been at work since 4.00AM and it was now 1.00PM). He had waited outside the bank, expecting "SOCOs" to arrive and had, BTW, had to fight off the attentions of two separate traffic wardens and one "beat" officer on two occasions because he was "parked" on a single yellow line!
They finally interviewed my SiL at around 3.PM and took a simple statement of fact.
Despite knowing that the bank had CCTV footage and that it recorded the crime, they still (over five days since the crime) haven't asked to see it. The Royal Mail's own "rubber-heels" brigade are aware of the facts and are in touch with the local BiB. They have reported back that the identities of the gang members are unknown to the BiB (so you might expect some investigation of the video and eye-witness evidence) and that the total "haul" from their activities to date runs to hundreds of thousands of pounds Sterling (so you'd think the BiB would be interested in catching the gang). Sadly it appears that, since the insureres pay out (and then so do we through increased premiums) and there was no violence, the "Powers-that-be" in the BiB are simply not sufficiently motivated to put any resource into this! My SiL and his colleagues have now decided that: (1) the "lock-boxes" on their vans must be repaired so that they can be used; (2) the seat mechanisms must be repaired so that the "lock-boxes" can be accessed easily (they are behind the driver's seat facing forwards, so the seat must be moved to open them); and (3) vans delivering "high value" items must be double-crewed (as actually required by policy, but impossible in practice owing to lack of available post-people following changes to delivery rounds). The upshot could well be that the Royal Mail in the area where my SiL works will no longer deliver such "high value" items on time or at all ... or other peoples' post will be further delayed in delivery! Both of which will reduce the RM's potential to meet its targets, leading to them being fined and to a rise in postal charges.
And all this because the BiB did not "provide the service" that the tax and rate payers pay for and expect. One wonders how long it will be before someone is injured by this gang, or before a "postie" or member of the public attempts to prevent the crime and gets banged up themselves for assault and sued by the gang members!
[rant over ... for now]
Streaky
Once again, it's not the BiB on the ground who are to blame. It's the BiB bean-counters and politicos in their ivory towers AND Blunderkit's continual parade of new legislation, and this government's obsession with (un-met) targets and the consumption of valuable time fiddling the books trying to show that they've been met. They're the ones to blame! - S[/i}
My son-in-law is a postman: last Friday he was delivering parcels in a Royal Mail van. Among the parcels were a number of "high-value" items - foreign currency - being delivered to a number of banks.
The vehicle was parked outside one bank in the High Street when it was robbed of a number of the "high value" items. The robbery was seen and reported to the police immediately. The scene was covered by the bank's own CCTV. The value of currency stolen runs to several thousands of pounds, together with other items.
Apparently this is not an uncommon crime. Indeed, my SiL was told that the thieves order the currency themselves and then rob the delivery van when it arrives - they know that many of the banks, building societies and travel agents use the Royal Mail for these deliveries.
So we have a crime that was (a) witnessed, (b) recorded, (c) of high value and (d) to an established pattern.
What did the local BiB do? Upon report ... nothing! No attendance, no instructions, nothing. They later telephoned the depot and told them to call my SiL and tell him to finish his deliveries and that they would "try" to interview him back at the depot later that day (he had been at work since 4.00AM and it was now 1.00PM). He had waited outside the bank, expecting "SOCOs" to arrive and had, BTW, had to fight off the attentions of two separate traffic wardens and one "beat" officer on two occasions because he was "parked" on a single yellow line!
They finally interviewed my SiL at around 3.PM and took a simple statement of fact.
Despite knowing that the bank had CCTV footage and that it recorded the crime, they still (over five days since the crime) haven't asked to see it. The Royal Mail's own "rubber-heels" brigade are aware of the facts and are in touch with the local BiB. They have reported back that the identities of the gang members are unknown to the BiB (so you might expect some investigation of the video and eye-witness evidence) and that the total "haul" from their activities to date runs to hundreds of thousands of pounds Sterling (so you'd think the BiB would be interested in catching the gang). Sadly it appears that, since the insureres pay out (and then so do we through increased premiums) and there was no violence, the "Powers-that-be" in the BiB are simply not sufficiently motivated to put any resource into this! My SiL and his colleagues have now decided that: (1) the "lock-boxes" on their vans must be repaired so that they can be used; (2) the seat mechanisms must be repaired so that the "lock-boxes" can be accessed easily (they are behind the driver's seat facing forwards, so the seat must be moved to open them); and (3) vans delivering "high value" items must be double-crewed (as actually required by policy, but impossible in practice owing to lack of available post-people following changes to delivery rounds). The upshot could well be that the Royal Mail in the area where my SiL works will no longer deliver such "high value" items on time or at all ... or other peoples' post will be further delayed in delivery! Both of which will reduce the RM's potential to meet its targets, leading to them being fined and to a rise in postal charges.
And all this because the BiB did not "provide the service" that the tax and rate payers pay for and expect. One wonders how long it will be before someone is injured by this gang, or before a "postie" or member of the public attempts to prevent the crime and gets banged up themselves for assault and sued by the gang members!
[rant over ... for now]
Streaky
Once again, it's not the BiB on the ground who are to blame. It's the BiB bean-counters and politicos in their ivory towers AND Blunderkit's continual parade of new legislation, and this government's obsession with (un-met) targets and the consumption of valuable time fiddling the books trying to show that they've been met. They're the ones to blame! - S[/i}
True - Liebchen - 'twas a report, not seen by me with my own eyes, in the "Mail" but ... how do you know it was ANPR? Have seen both types set up - and they use lots of coppers and those civilian "traitors!"
I am sure that the owner of the Freight Company knows a speed trap when he sees one and the "Mail" reporter quoted him in his article.
Essex police have not denied it was a speed trap either, nor have they confirmed it was ANPR for that matter.
As for the violence - surely cutting through a lorry's canvas cover, fighting with a member of the firm's staff - as reported in thee article, is violent and aggressively dangerous behaviour?
No doubt if the paper carried anothere article praising the police - that would be "true" Believed without question And in fairness - the article did not blame the rank and file - but laid the blame on those politically correct farties who would never understand the work you really do if they fell over it!
But even so - you say "lack of resources" and Blunderkit keeps on telling us that "since he came to power - blahahahahahblahblah spent, recruited .... " and we all know he is "telling the truth" (the fact that his nose has increased by several inches is just a co-incidence - of course)
My cousin in Wales - was burgled last year. They broke into her garden shed and stole her fast tractor - which she used for mowing her lawn! She had them on CCTV footage too, and the cops never turned up, nor has tractor ever turned up - but it may have featured on a gatso photo! She claimed on insurance and has since replaced the big lawn mower - but that ist not the point! She had nice tractor, locked away on her property and intruders came and nicked it, invading her property and disturbing and her peace of mind!
Her neighbour's car was stolen that same week - and whoever nicked it got flashed and even pulled by Arrive Alive - cos the cousin's neighbour get getting threatening letters to "name the driver or else" and the neighbour kept replying quoting the relevant crim number. (This has now ceased - Arrive Alive appear satisfied that thief was driving the car and they will not get their £60!)
I am sure that the owner of the Freight Company knows a speed trap when he sees one and the "Mail" reporter quoted him in his article.
Essex police have not denied it was a speed trap either, nor have they confirmed it was ANPR for that matter.
As for the violence - surely cutting through a lorry's canvas cover, fighting with a member of the firm's staff - as reported in thee article, is violent and aggressively dangerous behaviour?
No doubt if the paper carried anothere article praising the police - that would be "true"
Believed without question And in fairness - the article did not blame the rank and file - but laid the blame on those politically correct farties who would never understand the work you really do if they fell over it! But even so - you say "lack of resources" and Blunderkit keeps on telling us that "since he came to power - blahahahahahblahblah spent, recruited .... " and we all know he is "telling the truth" (the fact that his nose has increased by several inches is just a co-incidence - of course
) My cousin in Wales - was burgled last year. They broke into her garden shed and stole her fast tractor - which she used for mowing her lawn! She had them on CCTV footage too, and the cops never turned up, nor has tractor ever turned up - but it may have featured on a gatso photo! She claimed on insurance and has since replaced the big lawn mower - but that ist not the point! She had nice tractor, locked away on her property and intruders came and nicked it, invading her property and disturbing and her peace of mind!
Her neighbour's car was stolen that same week - and whoever nicked it got flashed and even pulled by Arrive Alive - cos the cousin's neighbour get getting threatening letters to "name the driver or else" and the neighbour kept replying quoting the relevant crim number. (This has now ceased - Arrive Alive appear satisfied that thief was driving the car and they will not get their £60!)
Streetcop said:
Did she have a shed alarm?
Knowing her - very likely! That property is a bit like Fort Knox! She has alarms, dogs, iron gates - and these people still managed to get through!
You do tell us - "If they want to nick something - they will find a way - no matter how much you nail it down"
Shame! We are safety conscious up here too - never leave anything unlocked, without the alarms - cos you never know - and people are running through this area all the time - major tourist area! Tourists are careless as well. Leave things lying around unattended ... j-walk Grrs!....
Doubtless our Steve will tell you that they also think speed limits do not apply when they are on holiday here either.
One thing - we will agree on - nutters do drive like nutters and choose inappropriapte speed on the dangerous rural roads (which are never speed enforced as they are not lucrative enough!)
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