Osama bin laden papers released

[RichyBoy]

Seems like a message to extremists to be more careful, although I didn't pay much attention to the rubbish. Does anyone really believe that these were written by him?

[andy_s]

Do you have evidence they weren't?

[12gauge]

ITV evening news said Osama wanted to assasinate Obama so Joe Biden would be elevated to the presidency...

WTF. Of all the reasons to assasinate him, that would be the bottom of the pile.

Sounds like utter bks to me. But what else is new...

[andy_s]

12gauge said:

ITV evening news said Osama wanted to assasinate Obama so Joe Biden would be elevated to the presidency...

WTF. Of all the reasons to assasinate him, that would be the bottom of the pile.

Sounds like utter bks to me. But what else is new...

Maybe that's because it didn't say that.

It said that Obama and others were a target while Biden should be left alone, as if he took over he would lead the US into chaos.

[Jimbeaux]

There was something about him becoming depressed at the ass kicking AQ was taking and contemplating changing the organization's name. WTF, like rebranding a car company that had a bad rep?

[andy_s]

Depressed at the actions of some of the affiliated groups, which killed muslims rather than the infidel.

He did operate a franchise, and have a PR man, so yes, like rebranding a car company that has a bad rep.

[Jimbeaux]

andy_s said:

Depressed at the actions of some of the affiliated groups, which killed muslims rather than the infidel.

He did operate a franchise, and have a PR man, so yes, like rebranding a car company that has a bad rep.

Those who would have fallen for a name change would be as daft as those who think these idiots would give two sts about killing fellow Muslims.

[s1962a]

Where is the smoking gun regarding Pakistani ISI links? The US have mentioned it before and i'm surprised nothing has come up in these documents.

[andy_s]

Jimbeaux said:

andy_s said:

Depressed at the actions of some of the affiliated groups, which killed muslims rather than the infidel.

He did operate a franchise, and have a PR man, so yes, like rebranding a car company that has a bad rep.

Those who would have fallen for a name change would be as daft as those who think these idiots would give two sts about killing fellow Muslims.

I don't totally follow what you're saying there Jim, but I doubt any name change/org change would be for our benefit.

[Jimbeaux]

andy_s said:

Jimbeaux said:

andy_s said:

Depressed at the actions of some of the affiliated groups, which killed muslims rather than the infidel.

He did operate a franchise, and have a PR man, so yes, like rebranding a car company that has a bad rep.

Those who would have fallen for a name change would be as daft as those who think these idiots would give two sts about killing fellow Muslims.

I don't totally follow what you're saying there Jim, but I doubt any name change/org change would be for our benefit.

Just ranting.

[andy_s]

Jimbeaux said:

Just ranting.

[just me]

Jimbeaux said:

Those who would have fallen for a name change would be as daft as those who think these idiots would give two sts about killing fellow Muslims.

He did care about it. Some of his franchises, like the guy running AQ in Iraq during the US occupation, didn't. He sent several reprimands to them, not only to not target Muslims, but also to present a less brutal image of AQ and stop releasing videotapes of beheadings. It fell on deaf ears. That evil guy (Al Moussaoui) was eventually taken out by the US.

Bizarre to think he was concerned about image, or that he felt these things would make any difference to how AQ was perceived. But it is true.

Edited by just me on Thursday 3rd May 21:14

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

Jimbeaux said:

Those who would have fallen for a name change would be as daft as those who think these idiots would give two sts about killing fellow Muslims.

He did care about it. Some of his franchises, like the guy running AQ in Iraq during the US occupation, didn't. He sent several reprimands to them, not only to not target Muslims, but also to present a less brutal image of AQ and stop releasing videotapes of beheadings. It fell on deaf ears. That evil guy was taken out by the US, can't remember his name now.

Bizarre to think he was concerned about image, or that he felt these things would make any difference to how AQ was perceived. But it is true.

I suppose so. A matter of not "employing" those who share your "corporate philosophy. ETA: You refer to the man that didn't heed the order to only kill non-Muslims as "that evil guy". I am sure you can agree that OBL wa equally as evil.

[just me]

Of all the things to focus on...

Why would you infer that I am trying to make OBL to be "not evil"? I don't see you writing "evil OBL" every time you mention his name. Should I ask you to clarify that you do think he is evil before getting on with the subject--his papers, and what they said, and how bizarre (but true) it is?

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

Of all the things to focus on...

Why would you infer that I am trying to make OBL to be "not evil"? I don't see you writing "evil OBL" every time you mention his name. Should I ask you to clarify that you do think he is evil before getting on with the subject--his papers, and what they said, and how bizarre (but true) it is?

It was a joke JM. If you noticed, I agreed with your post in general. Never mind.

[andy_s]

OBL was certainly 'evil', he was just hacked off with the direction people were taking I think.

He probably just wished that it was American rather than muslim lives; not for any respect to life in general or fellow muslims in particular, just that it didn't align with his main agenda and alienated him to some extent and just damaged his politic in general.

I imagine he'd think of it as a squandering of resources and energy too.

[Jimbeaux]

andy_s said:

OBL was certainly 'evil', he was just hacked off with the direction people were taking I think.

He probably just wished that it was American rather than muslim lives; not for any respect to life in general or fellow muslims in particular, just that it didn't align with his main agenda and alienated him to some extent and just damaged his politic in general.

I imagine he'd think of it as a squandering of resources and energy too.

You are of course correct. OBL didn't care about Muslims anymore than anyone else, he just knew killing them may hurt his cause.

[just me]

He's dead and good riddance. Didn't do Muslims any favours, that's for sure.

Read someone is claiming to have found his body, and wants to raise it. I find that very hard to believe. He claims it was preserved as it was in a bag, but I seem to remember reading that it was buried wrapped in a cloth (and that is how Muslims traditionally bury people).

Anyone believe this claim?

[just me]

He's dead and good riddance. Didn't do Muslims any favours, that's for sure.

Read someone is claiming to have found his body, and wants to raise it. I find that very hard to believe. He claims it was preserved as it was in a bag, but I seem to remember reading that it was buried wrapped in a cloth (and that is how Muslims traditionally bury him).

Anyone believe this claim?

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

He's dead and good riddance. Didn't do Muslims any favours, that's for sure.

Read someone is claiming to have found his body, and wants to raise it. I find that very hard to believe. He claims it was preserved as it was in a bag, but I seem to remember reading that it was buried wrapped in a cloth (and that is how Muslims traditionally bury people).

Anyone believe this claim?

Hard to know really. Placing bodies in zip up body bags is common practice by those guys, almost an automatic thing. Body bags are standard stock. I suppose they may have wrapped the body bag in the traditional manner, thus maybe preserving him. My personal opinion is that they likely did it the proper way and he is gone. Having a preserved body to be found later would do no good. That or they didn't really bury him at sea at all.