Is UKIP now dead?
Discussion
OK, so it's only half way through local election results being declared, but I am staggered at just how abysmally they've done in what should've been their best ever chance to perform.
The Tories and the Lib Dems are being hammered over national politics. Labour have probably their least electable leader in a generation, and the EU has never been more of a high profile f
k up than it is now.
Yet with over half the council results declared, UKIP have just 7 councillors, only 1 up from last time. They are outnumbered by Residents' Association customers, and the Greens have over twice as many.
Two or three years ago, I would've just thought that for all the Daily Wail headlines, very few people actually cared one way or the other about Europe, Immigration and the other key drivers for UKIP's manifesto.
For them to be doing so badly now however, surely suggests that people aren't even convinced enough by UKIP to use them as a protest vote, much less actually vote for them to see them win! If they can't even get laid in a brothel, how are they ever going to get laid at all?
Does anyone see them as anything other than terminally unelectable and doomed now?
The Tories and the Lib Dems are being hammered over national politics. Labour have probably their least electable leader in a generation, and the EU has never been more of a high profile f
k up than it is now.Yet with over half the council results declared, UKIP have just 7 councillors, only 1 up from last time. They are outnumbered by Residents' Association customers, and the Greens have over twice as many.
Two or three years ago, I would've just thought that for all the Daily Wail headlines, very few people actually cared one way or the other about Europe, Immigration and the other key drivers for UKIP's manifesto.
For them to be doing so badly now however, surely suggests that people aren't even convinced enough by UKIP to use them as a protest vote, much less actually vote for them to see them win! If they can't even get laid in a brothel, how are they ever going to get laid at all?
Does anyone see them as anything other than terminally unelectable and doomed now?
Kermit power said:
OK, so it's only half way through local election results being declared, but I am staggered at just how abysmally they've done in what should've been their best ever chance to perform.
The Tories and the Lib Dems are being hammered over national politics. Labour have probably their least electable leader in a generation, and the EU has never been more of a high profile fk up than it is now.
Yet with over half the council results declared, UKIP have just 7 councillors, only 1 up from last time. They are outnumbered by Residents' Association customers, and the Greens have over twice as many.
Two or three years ago, I would've just thought that for all the Daily Wail headlines, very few people actually cared one way or the other about Europe, Immigration and the other key drivers for UKIP's manifesto.
For them to be doing so badly now however, surely suggests that people aren't even convinced enough by UKIP to use them as a protest vote, much less actually vote for them to see them win! If they can't even get laid in a brothel, how are they ever going to get laid at all?
Does anyone see them as anything other than terminally unelectable and doomed now?
Much as many PH'ers would like to think differently, the Tories aren't losing many votes to UKIP, they're losing them to Labour.The Tories and the Lib Dems are being hammered over national politics. Labour have probably their least electable leader in a generation, and the EU has never been more of a high profile f
k up than it is now.Yet with over half the council results declared, UKIP have just 7 councillors, only 1 up from last time. They are outnumbered by Residents' Association customers, and the Greens have over twice as many.
Two or three years ago, I would've just thought that for all the Daily Wail headlines, very few people actually cared one way or the other about Europe, Immigration and the other key drivers for UKIP's manifesto.
For them to be doing so badly now however, surely suggests that people aren't even convinced enough by UKIP to use them as a protest vote, much less actually vote for them to see them win! If they can't even get laid in a brothel, how are they ever going to get laid at all?
Does anyone see them as anything other than terminally unelectable and doomed now?
Pasty tax, granny tax, charity tax. What a complete balls up. Osborne has to be held responsible.
Puggit said:
I'm a UKIP fan - but I don't think I'd vote for them in a local election, I see no need to.
UKIP are for general elections and MEP elections.
Likewise I didn't vote yesterday as we too were electionless. If there had been, I would've voted for the local Residents' Association candidates, who (uniquely as far as I am aware) have held uninterrupted control of Epsom & Ewell Borough Council for over 70 years and do a pretty decent job of it.UKIP are for general elections and MEP elections.
I didn't vote yesterday as there was no election where I live
Nonetheless, many people do use local elections as a protest vote precisely because they don't think it matters.
Whatever the truth of that matter, and whilst it's delightful to see that the BNP have lost their three councilors, the minority parties all go in on an equal footing, and UKIP have been trounced by the Greens, and even have bloody Respect only 2 councilors behind them.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Based on a tiny sample group of relatives yesterday (at a birthday party) the only people that voted work in the public sector.
I am sure this is because of two main reasons - the first is that whatever union they're in will make sure they vote (A lot more politicised than the private sector, I'd wager), and secondly, they must believe in the state overspending to preserve their jobs - probably..Edited by chris watton on Friday 4th May 10:47
Not at all.
UKIPs share of the vote is up, but it isn't at core a local party. It's voter base is spread out. Residents Associations and Greens can latch onto a local issue much more easily. Even if a local issue is dictated by EU policy (which is quite rare) you don't fix it by voting UKIP into Wyre Forest District Council.
I'm split - on the one hand I'm disappointed not to see them win more seats, on the other hand I'm very pleased about the proportion of the vote they have gained, and I can't believe that 13-14% of voters going for another centre right party isn't hurting the Conservatives.
I don't buy the argument that they are switching from Conservatives to Labour. I know very few floating voters who make such a switch, and believe it is far more to do with motivating those voters to get out and vote.
UKIPs share of the vote is up, but it isn't at core a local party. It's voter base is spread out. Residents Associations and Greens can latch onto a local issue much more easily. Even if a local issue is dictated by EU policy (which is quite rare) you don't fix it by voting UKIP into Wyre Forest District Council.
I'm split - on the one hand I'm disappointed not to see them win more seats, on the other hand I'm very pleased about the proportion of the vote they have gained, and I can't believe that 13-14% of voters going for another centre right party isn't hurting the Conservatives.
I don't buy the argument that they are switching from Conservatives to Labour. I know very few floating voters who make such a switch, and believe it is far more to do with motivating those voters to get out and vote.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17949549 - UKIP on track for local election boost
bbc said:
The UK Independence Party (UKIP) has made a breakthrough at local elections in England and Wales.
The party is averaging 13% of the vote in English and Welsh wards it fought, five points higher than a year ago.
The BBC's election expert John Curtice said this was the party's highest figure in a local election not held on the same day as European elections.
The party is averaging 13% of the vote in English and Welsh wards it fought, five points higher than a year ago.
The BBC's election expert John Curtice said this was the party's highest figure in a local election not held on the same day as European elections.
Well someone has said it...
bbc said:
And Conservative MP Gary Streeter blamed defections to UKIP for his party losing control of Plymouth to Labour.
"We need to work out a strategy, certainly in the west country, for dealing with the issue of traditional voters shuffling off and voting UKIP because they don't think our leadership is Conservative enough," he said.
"The UKIP vote is not just about Europe," he added.
"It's also about a hardcore of traditional Conservative voters saying, 'actually we don't like the kind of small 'l' liberal decisions this government is beginning to take - it offends our values and we're going to protest and vote UKIP."
"We need to work out a strategy, certainly in the west country, for dealing with the issue of traditional voters shuffling off and voting UKIP because they don't think our leadership is Conservative enough," he said.
"The UKIP vote is not just about Europe," he added.
"It's also about a hardcore of traditional Conservative voters saying, 'actually we don't like the kind of small 'l' liberal decisions this government is beginning to take - it offends our values and we're going to protest and vote UKIP."
Maybe I should go for it myself.
Puggit said:
Well someone has said it...
Absolutely spot on.bbc said:
And Conservative MP Gary Streeter blamed defections to UKIP for his party losing control of Plymouth to Labour.
"We need to work out a strategy, certainly in the west country, for dealing with the issue of traditional voters shuffling off and voting UKIP because they don't think our leadership is Conservative enough," he said.
"The UKIP vote is not just about Europe," he added.
"It's also about a hardcore of traditional Conservative voters saying, 'actually we don't like the kind of small 'l' liberal decisions this government is beginning to take - it offends our values and we're going to protest and vote UKIP."
"We need to work out a strategy, certainly in the west country, for dealing with the issue of traditional voters shuffling off and voting UKIP because they don't think our leadership is Conservative enough," he said.
"The UKIP vote is not just about Europe," he added.
"It's also about a hardcore of traditional Conservative voters saying, 'actually we don't like the kind of small 'l' liberal decisions this government is beginning to take - it offends our values and we're going to protest and vote UKIP."
I voted Conservative basing my decision entirely on local issues (always either LD or Con here, LDs shaved it).
I've only ever voted Conservative nationally but there is no way in the world this shower is getting my vote next time around. I won't be at all surprised if Miliband is our next PM, frankly I don't care because the three main parties are doing their utmost to cock the country up. At least I will be able to bh about Labour.
Politics in this country seems to be pretty much over.
Edited to add: Why the fk is bh a banned word?
I've only ever voted Conservative nationally but there is no way in the world this shower is getting my vote next time around. I won't be at all surprised if Miliband is our next PM, frankly I don't care because the three main parties are doing their utmost to cock the country up. At least I will be able to b
h about Labour.Politics in this country seems to be pretty much over.
Edited to add: Why the f
k is bh a banned word?Marf said:
mattviatura said:
Edited to add: Why the fk is bh a banned word?
Because despite this website being inhabited almost entirely by men over the age of 18, this is a "family" website. k is bh a banned word?
)TonyHetherington said:
Marf said:
mattviatura said:
Edited to add: Why the fk is bh a banned word?
Because despite this website being inhabited almost entirely by men over the age of 18, this is a "family" website. k is bh a banned word?And frankly f
k <--- this sticks out more than the word alone.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff