Police restraint techniques
Discussion
I was watching one of those awful 'camera follows police at closing time' programmes last night and a couple of things struck me.
1. I never want to go out drinking in Hartlepool!
2. The police seemed fairly poor at restraining the scrawny drunks they came across! I appreciate that they're sometimes very violent / covered in p
ss but it often took 5 burly bib to restrain 1 scrote!
I was just curious at what sort of trainig you fellas get. I remember reading before the Japan world cup that all the police got a few weeks Jiu-Jitsu training to handle the Gaijin hooligans! Don't the police get something similar here?
The only technique I could see being used was 'grab a limb each and someone else sit on his head'!
1. I never want to go out drinking in Hartlepool!
2. The police seemed fairly poor at restraining the scrawny drunks they came across! I appreciate that they're sometimes very violent / covered in p
ss but it often took 5 burly bib to restrain 1 scrote! I was just curious at what sort of trainig you fellas get. I remember reading before the Japan world cup that all the police got a few weeks Jiu-Jitsu training to handle the Gaijin hooligans! Don't the police get something similar here?
The only technique I could see being used was 'grab a limb each and someone else sit on his head'!
Technically....there are a couple of weeks initial self defence training during your months of 'basic training'.
After that there is a 2 day refresher course every year which covers unarmed defensive tactics (Holds, kicks, body blows, restraints), baton training, CS spray training and Handcuffs techniques.
And that's it...
Some coppers, like I, study Martial Arts outside work and this can assist us greatly 'on the streets'.
The problems with programs like the one you've watched is that the Bib on there know the cameras are filming and this often has a detrimental effect on them and they worry how they are going to be percieved.
In addition to that..in real life..one Bib to restrain one violent nutter can be very extreme...I know I've viewed CCTV tapes of my arrests and I look more violent than them!...This is where it's safer for 3+ Bib to restrain and arrest 1 man. However, to the wathching public..especially the drunken ones..it looks over the top, but is much safer for Mr violent nutter being arrested.
Street
After that there is a 2 day refresher course every year which covers unarmed defensive tactics (Holds, kicks, body blows, restraints), baton training, CS spray training and Handcuffs techniques.
And that's it...
Some coppers, like I, study Martial Arts outside work and this can assist us greatly 'on the streets'.
The problems with programs like the one you've watched is that the Bib on there know the cameras are filming and this often has a detrimental effect on them and they worry how they are going to be percieved.
In addition to that..in real life..one Bib to restrain one violent nutter can be very extreme...I know I've viewed CCTV tapes of my arrests and I look more violent than them!...This is where it's safer for 3+ Bib to restrain and arrest 1 man. However, to the wathching public..especially the drunken ones..it looks over the top, but is much safer for Mr violent nutter being arrested.
Street
I figured the cameras would have a detrimental effect, after all you wouldn't want to be caught on the BBC putting someone in a really painful wrist-lock, even if they really deserved it!
Shame to hear your training sounds so inadequate! If I was bib I'd definitely invest in some extra Jiu-Jitsu lessons.
Shame to hear your training sounds so inadequate! If I was bib I'd definitely invest in some extra Jiu-Jitsu lessons.
I think Bib tend to develop their own particular skills through tried and tested methods on the street...I know I do...
For example, in training you aren't taught to hold a suspects fingers, however, on the street it's invaluable at times as people rarely 'twist' out of such holds...
Street
For example, in training you aren't taught to hold a suspects fingers, however, on the street it's invaluable at times as people rarely 'twist' out of such holds...
Street
Streetcop said:
I think Bib tend to develop their own particular skills through tried and tested methods on the street...I know I do...
For example, in training you aren't taught to hold a suspects fingers, however, on the street it's invaluable at times as people rarely 'twist' out of such holds...
Street
My friendly local cop tells me if three or even more officers take hold of a chap who does not want his fingerprints taken, then if he struggles, they are unable to take 'em.
So much for one lone householder being allowed to use "reaonable force" in an attempt to restrain or resist an attack from a nutter.
Four large bobbies can't keep 'em still so what chance do we have?????
sqwib said:
Overheard at a restraint course being run for staff of a local Young Offenders' Institution:
"We're learning how to hurt them without leaving any marks."
That's what the BiB need!
We have it...and many more...mmm the Mandibular Angle (just under each ear and at the end of the jaw bone...)
StreetTo be honest I dont go for "fancy" techniques (I am not good enough!), quick, powerful strikes have a much higher success ratio. If you look at Krav Maga for example this uses similar tactics and is very effective. IMHO they should drop the current training and move over to something like Krav, but that would not suit the men in suits would it...
>> Edited by bluesandtwos on Thursday 29th July 01:10
>> Edited by bluesandtwos on Thursday 29th July 01:10
The problem is that we have to restrain violent people where we can without injuring them where it is unecessary. This usually takes the form of using greater strength than the subject can muster.
Most Police Officers have equipment that could render a subject helpless with a reasonable strike in a vulnerable area. This is not what the use of reasonable force allows so it is far easier to get a load of bib on top of a struggling subject to achieve the objective of them being handcuffed than a strike over the sweed with a baton (which is somewhat difficult to defend if the subject complains).
Most Police Officers have equipment that could render a subject helpless with a reasonable strike in a vulnerable area. This is not what the use of reasonable force allows so it is far easier to get a load of bib on top of a struggling subject to achieve the objective of them being handcuffed than a strike over the sweed with a baton (which is somewhat difficult to defend if the subject complains).
gone said:
The problem is that we have to restrain violent people where we can without injuring them where it is unecessary.
So a bullit through each knee cap is wrong?....damnit
Personally if your being agressive towards a police officer I feel you forfeit your right to not be hurt. I expect most officers at least tell you to stop struggeling before they kneel on your neck, if you carry on being agressive thats your tough sh*t!
Munter said:
Personally if your being agressive towards a police officer I feel you forfeit your right to not be hurt. I expect most officers at least tell you to stop struggeling before they kneel on your neck, if you carry on being agressive thats your tough sh*t!
Obviously I think like that as I'm a Bib....However, me view was exactly the same before I was in the job and it's the view of the vast majority of people..
This is my arguement about police brutality etc...there are enough idiots and chavs out there to sort out without having a go at decent people. Consequently, you'll find in 99% of occasions, these people who have been assaulted by police are the scum of the earth who wouldn't think twice about slotting one of you in a road rage incident or nightclub queue...
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 29th July 11:14
Street C
I agree. I remember years ago when I lived in NZ, myself and a mate were in a club and were hauled out by undercover coppas for suspected under age drinking, which we weren't. Said cop told us if we lieing to him he was going to take us out back and give us a good kicking. I honestly lost all respect at that point.
Like everything I guess, you get the odd bad apple!
ps. The muppet then did a pocket search and found some chewing gum tin foil. He honestly thought it was teh drugs bust of the century
I agree. I remember years ago when I lived in NZ, myself and a mate were in a club and were hauled out by undercover coppas for suspected under age drinking, which we weren't. Said cop told us if we lieing to him he was going to take us out back and give us a good kicking. I honestly lost all respect at that point.
Like everything I guess, you get the odd bad apple!
ps. The muppet then did a pocket search and found some chewing gum tin foil. He honestly thought it was teh drugs bust of the century
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