Lenzie - Whats going on there then?
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We currently live right in the West End of Glasgow, which is great for nights out and meals but not so great when looking at our next property. We're both a bit sick of flats and the gf has convinced me to look at Lenzie. I'm quite impressed with the place as it's pretty close to the city and we would be looking at detached houses with garages there as opposed to another flat in the West End.
Now, we come to start looking properly and find that there is all sorts of daftness going on - that Woodilee Village is springing up which is all fine and well but the council also seems to have approved even more housing in the South of Lenzie on the greenbelt as shown here;
You can see on the top left of the red box that Meadowburn Avenue is being thought of as the access point for this development, which on google maps is a cul de sac! What are these planners thinking?! Especially with the size of development at the Woodilee Village.
Now we're trying to find out is this something that is on the way, as the reason we like Lenzie is that it's so quiet and not much happening - don't want to move to a building site area really.
Does anyone know what's been agreed and what's in the pipeline?
Now, we come to start looking properly and find that there is all sorts of daftness going on - that Woodilee Village is springing up which is all fine and well but the council also seems to have approved even more housing in the South of Lenzie on the greenbelt as shown here;
You can see on the top left of the red box that Meadowburn Avenue is being thought of as the access point for this development, which on google maps is a cul de sac! What are these planners thinking?! Especially with the size of development at the Woodilee Village.
Now we're trying to find out is this something that is on the way, as the reason we like Lenzie is that it's so quiet and not much happening - don't want to move to a building site area really.
Does anyone know what's been agreed and what's in the pipeline?
Edited by Goa'uld on Tuesday 8th May 10:18
It's most likely that Meadowburn Ave is the closest street so they just use that as a reference point, there's a big new road (Lenzie bypass effectively) that runs from Kirkintilloch to the M80 with a few roundabouts along the way, I'd expect the access to be from there.
If I were buying in Lenzie, I'd be looking at one of the nice older properties, otherwise you're paying a huge premium just to have a Lenzie address, the new build homes are overly-expensive and no nicer in terms of actual house and immediate area than similar generic new-build estates nearby in Stepps, Bishopbriggs or Robroyston.
If I were buying in Lenzie, I'd be looking at one of the nice older properties, otherwise you're paying a huge premium just to have a Lenzie address, the new build homes are overly-expensive and no nicer in terms of actual house and immediate area than similar generic new-build estates nearby in Stepps, Bishopbriggs or Robroyston.
Yeah, we're looking at an older property as new builds are just 'soul-less'.
A few of her friends either have houses and a flat in the Woodilee Village development, and we took a drive out to see it - I was seriously not impressed. The houses seem to be priced at a premium of about £20k more than equivalent houses in Lenzie just for the sake of being in Woodilee. The houses are so close together that it feels claustrophobic and although the finish is nice inside, the build quality is low - IMO when you're spending £300k+ on a property you shouldn't be able to hear people in other rooms with such clarity.
A few of her friends either have houses and a flat in the Woodilee Village development, and we took a drive out to see it - I was seriously not impressed. The houses seem to be priced at a premium of about £20k more than equivalent houses in Lenzie just for the sake of being in Woodilee. The houses are so close together that it feels claustrophobic and although the finish is nice inside, the build quality is low - IMO when you're spending £300k+ on a property you shouldn't be able to hear people in other rooms with such clarity.
Spot on, I live not too far away from Lenzie, in a new-build, and it is pretty soul-less but isn't somewhere I'll stay forever. I do like the older parts of Lenzie and the wife and I will probably look at a move there in years to come if we can.
I don't understand the pricing of the new-builds at Woodilee, the most expensive are priced at nearly £700k! I'd much rather drive up to something like this in 'proper' Lenzie for that money:
I don't understand the pricing of the new-builds at Woodilee, the most expensive are priced at nearly £700k! I'd much rather drive up to something like this in 'proper' Lenzie for that money:
Well
If you are thinking about Lenzie aim high
http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-de...
If you are thinking about Lenzie aim high
http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-de...
S2red said:
Well
If you are thinking about Lenzie aim high
http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-de...
That's been on my lottery wish list for a while.If you are thinking about Lenzie aim high
http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-de...
A little lower but bags of character;
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...
Love the wee ensuite hidden away off one bedroom. No new builds for us thanks.
Again though, if anyone has any info on whats going on with the planning it would be great to hear from you. We found a website which makes it look like the fight is finished and the development is going ahead http://lsgb.org.uk/ but all updates died off mid last year.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...
Love the wee ensuite hidden away off one bedroom. No new builds for us thanks.
Again though, if anyone has any info on whats going on with the planning it would be great to hear from you. We found a website which makes it look like the fight is finished and the development is going ahead http://lsgb.org.uk/ but all updates died off mid last year.
We suffered the same in Stepps, various builders wanted to build a ridiculous amount of new homes on green belt land (2897!), locals found out and objected, campaigns were started, protests at Parliament etc ensued, and whether they made a difference or not, the green belt was saved and the planned building halted.
However, as you are finding it was VERY difficult to find info on it anywhere and the locals are the last people to be informed of anything it appears, and the local council websites have planning application lists but in my experience anything major doesn't seem to appear on it until it has already been approved. They're building new homes on a brownfield site near to me, I wasn't informed as apparently only householders within a 20 metre proximity of the site are formally notified, everyone else finds out when the diggers roll up!
However, as you are finding it was VERY difficult to find info on it anywhere and the locals are the last people to be informed of anything it appears, and the local council websites have planning application lists but in my experience anything major doesn't seem to appear on it until it has already been approved. They're building new homes on a brownfield site near to me, I wasn't informed as apparently only householders within a 20 metre proximity of the site are formally notified, everyone else finds out when the diggers roll up!
We only saw this proposed plan after I misspelled a search entry about one of the streets we're looking at, if it wasn't for that we would have put an offer in without knowing, fair enough it may come up as you complete and carry out all legal searches but that would have been a fair bit down the line and would influence how much we offer in the first place.
It is indeed a blackhole of info - very difficult to pin down specific plans and figure out if it's current or a past plan. From what we can see the local council put in repeated objections to the developers at which point the government have waded in and pushed it through. Still seems a stupid bit of land to covet for building on.
It really isn't on being this hard to track the info down, we can't make an informed decision to move to the area until this is made clear. For all it's worth I'm going to try contacting the Council about it to see what the percieved latest stance is from their side.
If this was clear we would have offered yesterday - chomping at the bit here!
It is indeed a blackhole of info - very difficult to pin down specific plans and figure out if it's current or a past plan. From what we can see the local council put in repeated objections to the developers at which point the government have waded in and pushed it through. Still seems a stupid bit of land to covet for building on.
It really isn't on being this hard to track the info down, we can't make an informed decision to move to the area until this is made clear. For all it's worth I'm going to try contacting the Council about it to see what the percieved latest stance is from their side.
If this was clear we would have offered yesterday - chomping at the bit here!
S2red said:
Am I naive enough to think a call to planning office may answer question?
If only it were that easy, I though the same with North Lanarkshire council but they took the attitude of that as the development wasn't within 20 metres of me they had no obligation to go out of their way to tell me anything and that I should check the website for planning applications - which mysteriously all appeared with documentation fully uploaded after they were approved!If the OP states that he doesn't currently live within EDC, I can't see them going out of their way to spend any time finding out or divulging any info, you're probably better finding out who the local councillor is and asking him/her.
Ok, people on the phones are either useless or surprised about the plans to the point that they question what I'm on about as they think it's daft to build in that area - join the club.
Digging into their Local Plan 2 that has been adopted they have the following listed for the Meadowburn Avenue site, showing that they have both not decided how many houses to build AND also decided how many homes to build. What the f###ing f### are you supposed to make of this crap?
Not helping when we want to put an offer in asap.
ETA I presume I've found something that's not right as you surely wouldn't bother to build that few houses while wrecking a greenbelt site, the number would be larger than that I expect.
Digging into their Local Plan 2 that has been adopted they have the following listed for the Meadowburn Avenue site, showing that they have both not decided how many houses to build AND also decided how many homes to build. What the f###ing f### are you supposed to make of this crap?
Not helping when we want to put an offer in asap.
ETA I presume I've found something that's not right as you surely wouldn't bother to build that few houses while wrecking a greenbelt site, the number would be larger than that I expect.
Edited by Goa'uld on Tuesday 8th May 15:30
I'm not familiar with the the location, the area or the Council but I know how the system works. The planning system in the UK is the most open and public of all the public services and I know from experience that a lot of very professional people work very hard at trying to make sure that everyone should be aware is made aware of what is being proposed at every stage of the process. A Local Plan for example takes some 5 years to prepare and there are events, meetings, workshops, and publicity organized throughout that time at the key stages to try to get people involved and made aware. Unfortunately, despite all of these efforts, in my experience, most people tend not to take an interest or don't engage at the right time and end up being 'surprised' when a planning application is lodged or even worse when the diggers roll up.
Most of the material should be available on the Councils website. It took me about three minutes to find the following.
I think this is the adopted Local Plan 2011. http://www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk/content/planning_a...
The process of preparing this plan started in 2007 and there was a major pubic inquiry in 2010 which examined all of the issues. The plan was adopted last November.
It would appear that the proposals to develop the area in question have been around for many years.
My assumption is, speaking only from my own experience on these matters but without knowledge of the site, that the area would be developed off the existing residential estate roads and at a similar density to the established pattern of development. Alternatively there would appear to be an access opportunity at the extreme southern point of the site. Those with more local knowledge should be able to clarify.
Most of the material should be available on the Councils website. It took me about three minutes to find the following.
I think this is the adopted Local Plan 2011. http://www.eastdunbarton.gov.uk/content/planning_a...
The process of preparing this plan started in 2007 and there was a major pubic inquiry in 2010 which examined all of the issues. The plan was adopted last November.
It would appear that the proposals to develop the area in question have been around for many years.
My assumption is, speaking only from my own experience on these matters but without knowledge of the site, that the area would be developed off the existing residential estate roads and at a similar density to the established pattern of development. Alternatively there would appear to be an access opportunity at the extreme southern point of the site. Those with more local knowledge should be able to clarify.
Edited by drangular on Tuesday 8th May 16:07
Yes, these are also ‘some’ of the documents that we’ve come across however we cannot find a definite statement on the access to and from the site together with the volume of houses and also the type of houses (read housing for workshy neds etc) that will be put in place.
If so much time and effort has been put into the document then why is there nothing stating that ‘we have surveyed the area and accept that x number of houses would be the limit due to the road infastructure’. The only info is that the greenbelt will be turned over to housing.
It’s looking more like we’re going to give the place a swerve if it’s going to become another sprawling newbuild zombie land.
If so much time and effort has been put into the document then why is there nothing stating that ‘we have surveyed the area and accept that x number of houses would be the limit due to the road infastructure’. The only info is that the greenbelt will be turned over to housing.
It’s looking more like we’re going to give the place a swerve if it’s going to become another sprawling newbuild zombie land.
Urban myth No. 432. "All undeveloped land is 'Green Belt'."
No it isn't. 'Green Belt' is a statutory designation to protect swathes of countryside around some towns and cities and is shown as such on statutory plans such as Local Plans. eg Edinburgh green belt.
It is unusual for the Council not to have stated , even in broad terms, the capacity of the site however, given the constraints of access, Local Nature Conservation designation and possibly others, I guess the Council decided to leave that matter until a planning application is submitted. At which time local people would have their say, again, on what form the development should take. It would be up to the land owner/ potential developer to take this matter forward.
No it isn't. 'Green Belt' is a statutory designation to protect swathes of countryside around some towns and cities and is shown as such on statutory plans such as Local Plans. eg Edinburgh green belt.
It is unusual for the Council not to have stated , even in broad terms, the capacity of the site however, given the constraints of access, Local Nature Conservation designation and possibly others, I guess the Council decided to leave that matter until a planning application is submitted. At which time local people would have their say, again, on what form the development should take. It would be up to the land owner/ potential developer to take this matter forward.
drangular said:
I know from experience that a lot of very professional people work very hard at trying to make sure that everyone should be aware is made aware of what is being proposed at every stage of the process. A Local Plan for example takes some 5 years to prepare and there are events, meetings, workshops, and publicity organized throughout that time at the key stages to try to get people involved and made aware.
Sorry for straying off topic a little, but can I ask as I'm genuinely curious, how would this normally be done, i.e. how would people be made aware?As said above, my local area was actually linked to in the OPs link as the proposed building on our nearby greenbelt runs right up to the Lenzie greenbelt area in question - I was only made aware when a neighbour linked to a protest page on facebook set up by locals.
yellowbentines said:
Sorry for straying off topic a little, but can I ask as I'm genuinely curious, how would this normally be done, i.e. how would people be made aware?
As said above, my local area was actually linked to in the OPs link as the proposed building on our nearby greenbelt runs right up to the Lenzie greenbelt area in question - I was only made aware when a neighbour linked to a protest page on facebook set up by locals.
You can search using this linkAs said above, my local area was actually linked to in the OPs link as the proposed building on our nearby greenbelt runs right up to the Lenzie greenbelt area in question - I was only made aware when a neighbour linked to a protest page on facebook set up by locals.
https://eplanning.northlan.gov.uk/Online/search.do...
Either put in street names or search via the map
Terzo123 said:
You can search using this link
https://eplanning.northlan.gov.uk/Online/search.do...
Either put in street names or search via the map
Yeah, I've used it a few times, but as said above I've found in my locale that certain plans haven't shown up (or I haven't been able to find them) until approved.https://eplanning.northlan.gov.uk/Online/search.do...
Either put in street names or search via the map
And it relies on members of the public searching the site on a frequent basis just in case theres any local planning applications submitted, I still don't think the builders, councils etc do enough to make people aware of what their plans are, but then again they probably know that they'll most likely be faced with opposition in most cases so take the 'whats the point' attitude!
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