Mondeo ST Tdci - fuel pump failure - any experiences?
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Afternoon all
The family Mondeo has been playing up recently and refused to start on Friday morning, resulting in a call to the AA. AA man got the car started and cited a fuel starvation issue as the probable cause of the problem. He suggested we drive the car to Ford while it was going, and leave it there for them to look at today which we did.
Just been told by Ford that the fuel pump has failed and in doing so has contaminated the rest of the fuel system with shards of metal. Fair enough - however their quote to fix this, at £3,561.04, seems a tad steep condidering an E39 530i Sport could be acquired for around the same price.
So, has anyone had any experiences of this kind of issue and if so, how much roughly did you pay to get it fixed?
The family Mondeo has been playing up recently and refused to start on Friday morning, resulting in a call to the AA. AA man got the car started and cited a fuel starvation issue as the probable cause of the problem. He suggested we drive the car to Ford while it was going, and leave it there for them to look at today which we did.
Just been told by Ford that the fuel pump has failed and in doing so has contaminated the rest of the fuel system with shards of metal. Fair enough - however their quote to fix this, at £3,561.04, seems a tad steep condidering an E39 530i Sport could be acquired for around the same price.
So, has anyone had any experiences of this kind of issue and if so, how much roughly did you pay to get it fixed?
Edited by mackay45 on Tuesday 8th May 14:32
I had a friend who recently had the same problems with his mondeo albeit the 2.0 tdci. As you said when the pump goes then it send metal shards into the injectors which causes them to need replacing too which will be about £500 + labour even with reconditioned injectors before you think about the pump.
I'd take it to a diesel injection specialist rather than ford who should have you on the road with reconditioned injectors and fuel pump for a whole lot less than you have been quoted so far.
I'd take it to a diesel injection specialist rather than ford who should have you on the road with reconditioned injectors and fuel pump for a whole lot less than you have been quoted so far.
Thanks for the replies guys - the risk of a big bill with a modern diesel is certainly worth considering when weighing up petrol vs diesel!
Will look into finding a diesel injection specialist and see what progress can be made - I think the car is (/was) worth about £6k ish (07 plate on around 75k miles) so certainly not worth spending £3.5k on in my opinion.
If anyone can recommend a diesel specialist I'd be glad to hear from you!
Will look into finding a diesel injection specialist and see what progress can be made - I think the car is (/was) worth about £6k ish (07 plate on around 75k miles) so certainly not worth spending £3.5k on in my opinion.
If anyone can recommend a diesel specialist I'd be glad to hear from you!
Locke said:
Did you get it sorted OP?
Apologies for the delayed reply - is it really July already?!Yes - the car is now up and running again. In the end we took it here:
http://www.ihertfordshire.co.uk/profile/140016/Hod...
Would recommend them to anyone in a similar situation.
They replaced one failed injector and the EGR valve, and the car is now back to full health. The total bill was well under £1,000 so substantially less than the price quoted by Ford.
They found no swarf in the fuel system or any evidence of a fuel pump failure. Make of that what you will. I don't want to break the name and shame rules but the name of the Ford garage who provided the £3.5k+ quote may or may not rhyme with a colloquial term for the plural of 'prostitute'.
Next task is to buy some oil and change that ourselves, because we aren't overly convinced it was actually replaced at the service but have no way to prove it.
Glad to have it running again though!
Edited by mackay45 on Monday 2nd July 23:03
I just traded my 2003 Mondeo TDCI in, I owned it from 100k-135k. In that time it needed a backbox and a starter motor (not DMF-related) but towards the end it started running a bit rough and I decided to quit while I was winning. These engines do have the potential to throw up a few 4-figure repair bills once they get to 150k+ miles and given the value of the car I decided I'd be better off with a simpler, older Petrol car.
HustleRussell said:
I just traded my 2003 Mondeo TDCI in, I owned it from 100k-135k. In that time it needed a backbox and a starter motor (not DMF-related) but towards the end it started running a bit rough and I decided to quit while I was winning. These engines do have the potential to throw up a few 4-figure repair bills once they get to 150k+ miles and given the value of the car I decided I'd be better off with a simpler, older Petrol car.
"When they get to 150k miles"? Yeah that'll be about the 4th time in their lifetime. The fuel pump, injectors and DMF needed doing on my 2.2 at 40k, and that's about the norm for them reading others' experiences.Mines on 80k and alls it has had replaced is the auxillery belts so far.
Runs a bit rough so could be glow plugs or the injectors however what you've suffered at 40k is a bit crazy.
Considering an EGR from Jaguar (same part) can be had for £150, fitted by yourself and then an injector fitted could be <£200 I'm flabbergasted that Ford could even quote £3000+.
Runs a bit rough so could be glow plugs or the injectors however what you've suffered at 40k is a bit crazy.
Considering an EGR from Jaguar (same part) can be had for £150, fitted by yourself and then an injector fitted could be <£200 I'm flabbergasted that Ford could even quote £3000+.
All that jazz said:
HustleRussell said:
I just traded my 2003 Mondeo TDCI in, I owned it from 100k-135k. In that time it needed a backbox and a starter motor (not DMF-related) but towards the end it started running a bit rough and I decided to quit while I was winning. These engines do have the potential to throw up a few 4-figure repair bills once they get to 150k+ miles and given the value of the car I decided I'd be better off with a simpler, older Petrol car.
"When they get to 150k miles"? Yeah that'll be about the 4th time in their lifetime. The fuel pump, injectors and DMF needed doing on my 2.2 at 40k, and that's about the norm for them reading others' experiences.
ky chinese produced Dool Math Fryreel was fitted. I blanked the EGR valve off and gave it new oil every 12k. I also ran it on shell diesel only (my theory being that it's a sensitive injection system and the car seemed to like shell)I quite liked me 2004 TDCi Mondeo - got it with 10k miles in 2005, sold it to a dealer and change to an old petrol corsa in 2010.
The reason? DMF was starting to give its death rattle, random injector fault (left no code, dealer estimated £1k just for that).
Sad really as it was only on 111,000 miles.
Total repair bill would have been est over £2k. Car was only really worth £1.5 if that.
I will never buy a modern diesel again. Just too expensive for simple things.
The reason? DMF was starting to give its death rattle, random injector fault (left no code, dealer estimated £1k just for that).
Sad really as it was only on 111,000 miles.
Total repair bill would have been est over £2k. Car was only really worth £1.5 if that.
I will never buy a modern diesel again. Just too expensive for simple things.
Carrot said:
I will never buy a modern diesel again. Just too expensive for simple things.
Unfortunately I feel the same way. Fortunately this gave me sufficient justification, using man-logic, to swap my Mondeo for an E34 BMW with the 2.5l straight six! Okay, I know it's only a BMW barge but driving it is so much more satisfying than the Mondeo with it's peaky, rattly diesel engine, which I never fully trusted not to ruin me financially. One comparitively small (£500) bill for a DMF/Injector/Fuel Pump/Turbo problem, would write off any fuel savings for the whole year!Welcome to the world of the modern diesel engine, if it's not the pump it's the injectors, or the DPF or the turbo or the DMF (the latter 2 also plaguing many modern petrols too, course) - some of the bills can be eye-watering tho that's a big one...
Thirding the tip to goto a diesel specialist and NOT the Ford Dealer, but you're still facing a hefty 4 figures for this.
I've been trying to tell people for a while now, modern diesels make NO SENSE unless you're leasing, are doing mega-miles or can otherwise duck the bullet when they go bang. Ford TDCis have a rep for doing this as early as 40,000 miles too - the message is spreading and some are stuck to forecourts like glue.
Mind you - the £1400 part which failed on her-indoors Grandad's £4500 Suzuki is probably cheekier - traction control it didn't need, there only because some idiot made it mandatory and almost 30% of it's total cost (and almost half it's current value!)
Thirding the tip to goto a diesel specialist and NOT the Ford Dealer, but you're still facing a hefty 4 figures for this.
I've been trying to tell people for a while now, modern diesels make NO SENSE unless you're leasing, are doing mega-miles or can otherwise duck the bullet when they go bang. Ford TDCis have a rep for doing this as early as 40,000 miles too - the message is spreading and some are stuck to forecourts like glue.
Mind you - the £1400 part which failed on her-indoors Grandad's £4500 Suzuki is probably cheekier - traction control it didn't need, there only because some idiot made it mandatory and almost 30% of it's total cost (and almost half it's current value!)
I use Wade diesels all the time, i usually get people coming in in shock after a quote from Ford and send them straight there, a drink is optional for the referal 
that's customer service, never be afraid to pass a job on if it will save the customer money and time i say.
Last job i sent to them was an EGR and 4 recon injectors in a transit, supplyed coded and fitted was a grand, i could of matched that price but coding would have been extra
that's customer service, never be afraid to pass a job on if it will save the customer money and time i say.Last job i sent to them was an EGR and 4 recon injectors in a transit, supplyed coded and fitted was a grand, i could of matched that price but coding would have been extra
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