TVs Jeremy Clarkson, a little racism would fix things.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140004/Je...
Racial profiling that is! (the thing we used to call 'common sense' or stating the bleedin obvious)
I mean, i cant imagine they ensured every third person they detained in the 70s and 80s on suspicion of IRA terrorism was afro-carribean, just to balance the stats, like.
No, they 'racially profiled' white people, mainly with Irish accents. Rightly so.
Only now common sense demands you 'racially profile' mainly brown people, often with beards, funny clothes and names and a common ideology is it suddenly a problem...
Racial profiling that is! (the thing we used to call 'common sense' or stating the bleedin obvious)
I mean, i cant imagine they ensured every third person they detained in the 70s and 80s on suspicion of IRA terrorism was afro-carribean, just to balance the stats, like.
No, they 'racially profiled' white people, mainly with Irish accents. Rightly so.
Only now common sense demands you 'racially profile' mainly brown people, often with beards, funny clothes and names and a common ideology is it suddenly a problem...
Steameh said:
Does Clarkson really need more media exposure? Just accept him for what he is, a deluded has been who rants and raves about everything and anything within his field of vision, yet proposes no decent solutions to the problems he complains about.
??? But that is what he is doing; suggesting a decent solution to a problem. Re-introduce profiling. The Israeli passport controllers must laugh at us, they are very good at profiling. Note it doesnt require 'racial' profiling either.s2art said:
??? But that is what he is doing; suggesting a decent solution to a problem. Re-introduce profiling. The Israeli passport controllers must laugh at us, they are very good at profiling. Note it doesnt require 'racial' profiling either.
His solution isn't sensible though, it harks back to an era when terrorism was only people who look and speak in a certain way. It's not like that anymore. Goes back to my primary point that his suggestions arent sensible.
Steameh said:
His solution isn't sensible though, it harks back to an era when terrorism was only people who look and speak in a certain way. It's not like that anymore.
Goes back to my primary point that his suggestions arent sensible.
Sorry, just wrong. Profiling, as done by most countries not infected by political correctness, just works. His suggestion is eminently sensible. Try investigating what 'profiling' actually is, its nothing to do with speaking a particular way.Goes back to my primary point that his suggestions arent sensible.
s2art said:
Sorry, just wrong. Profiling, as done by most countries not infected by political correctness, just works. His suggestion is eminently sensible. Try investigating what 'profiling' actually is, its nothing to do with speaking a particular way.
But his suggestion was;'Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play or on the terraces of a football stadium. It has no place at school, or in government.
'But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm.'
That suggestion is just not sensible.
Profiling is not raciaisticism. It involves looking for "tells" in a person's behaviour. How they respond to certain questions, body language, voice modulations, etc.
Full explanation:
http://www.renful.co.uk/article7
Full explanation:
http://www.renful.co.uk/article7
Steameh said:
But his suggestion was;
'Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play or on the terraces of a football stadium. It has no place at school, or in government.
'But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm.'
That suggestion is just not sensible.
You're being a bit silly aren't you.'Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play or on the terraces of a football stadium. It has no place at school, or in government.
'But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm.'
That suggestion is just not sensible.
Steameh said:
NightRunner said:
You're being a bit silly aren't you.
No but obviously I don't understand profiling or what have you, so I and my 'silly' nature shall bid this thread goodbye.
Profiling happens loads in the UK. At airports certain flights are targeted by customs for drug smuggling, certain nationals get checked more than others. The police don't stop and search white grannies going to Waitrose.
Our police and security services profile as much as anyone else's.
Our police and security services profile as much as anyone else's.
And.......... out, come all the stupid people, who are too thick to work out what a sense of houmor is, even if they don't possess one themeselves. They havnt worked out that other people may find this amusing rather than offensive.
Like all humour it has some merit. Racial stero typing is a fact of life, surely. If you are looking for someone who might be pregnant...would you discount the men?
Like all humour it has some merit. Racial stero typing is a fact of life, surely. If you are looking for someone who might be pregnant...would you discount the men?
el stovey said:
Profiling happens loads in the UK. At airports certain flights are targeted by customs for drug smuggling, certain nationals get checked more than others. The police don't stop and search white grannies going to Waitrose.
Our police and security services profile as much as anyone else's.
Exactly. Customs officers who are largely absent will be out in force after flights from certain countries. To say that there isn't an element of targeting is nonsense.Our police and security services profile as much as anyone else's.
However it has to be balanced. You can't stop and search people just because they are of a certain race. Doing so is both ineffective and provocative.
12gauge said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140004/Je...
I mean, i cant imagine they ensured every third person they detained in the 70s and 80s on suspicion of IRA terrorism was afro-carribean, just to balance the stats, like.
No, they 'racially profiled' white people, mainly with Irish accents. Rightly so.
Funny you should say that. Blacks made up the vast majority of those stopped by the Police's "ring of steel" that was set up to protect the City of London from the IRA.I mean, i cant imagine they ensured every third person they detained in the 70s and 80s on suspicion of IRA terrorism was afro-carribean, just to balance the stats, like.
No, they 'racially profiled' white people, mainly with Irish accents. Rightly so.
Okay, well we can express this problem in a mathematical manner, to perhaps show it's complexity and indeed the complete pointlessness of checking for people with bombs. FYI Airport security checks are for reassurance of passengers and to mitigate airliners liability, not to actually catch terrorists.
Say you have a 1 in a 100000 chance of a terrorist trying to get a bomb on your plane (is suspect the reality is actually much less likely but never mind)
And say you have a 1 in 1000 chance of incorrectly identifying a terrorist. That would be a 99.9% chance success ratio, also unlikely.
You will see you are 100 times more likely to let through the terrorist due to error of detection than catch him in a million attempts and in the process would have detained 1000 innocent people.
(some of the mathematical working in this example may not be accurate, but the jist of the point stands, this being piston heads, someone will gracefully correct me.)
Say you have a 1 in a 100000 chance of a terrorist trying to get a bomb on your plane (is suspect the reality is actually much less likely but never mind)
And say you have a 1 in 1000 chance of incorrectly identifying a terrorist. That would be a 99.9% chance success ratio, also unlikely.
You will see you are 100 times more likely to let through the terrorist due to error of detection than catch him in a million attempts and in the process would have detained 1000 innocent people.
(some of the mathematical working in this example may not be accurate, but the jist of the point stands, this being piston heads, someone will gracefully correct me.)
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