Safety Camera Partnerships

[Streetcop]

You will probably already know this, but every police force in the UK has joined the scheme with the exception of three forces:

Durham
North Yorkshire
Merseyside

Street

[gh0st]

You probably know this but for every one that joins up, they lose massive public support.

I will not envy your job in a few years time when the public kick off not knowing what the real score is...

[Streetcop]

gh0st said:

You probably know this but for every one that joins up, they lose massive public support. I will not envy your job in a few years time when the public kick off not knowing what the real score is...

Thanks mate, but the 'public' that it concerns wont 'kick off' because it affects the 'decent' people..the otherwise law abiders...

Kicking off occurs when policies affect the poor or the under privaliged etc...

Public disorder involves people with skin heads, long hair, coloured hair, big jumpers, combat clothes and scruffy dogs on lengths of string.

Street

(I'm starting to talk like the retired Major on 'The Fall and Rise of Reggie Perin' )

[safespeed]

Streetcop said:

You will probably already know this, but every police force in the UK has joined the scheme with the exception of three forces: Durham North Yorkshire Merseyside Street

Where does this come from?

What about Surrey and Central Scotland Police?

The latest DfT information...
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_507640.pdf
...is wrong as well as outdated and shows the North Yorkshire joined in 2003. (which they didn't).

[blademan]

Streetcop said:

Public disorder involves people with skin heads, long hair, coloured hair, big jumpers, combat clothes and scruffy dogs on lengths of string.

Careful Streetcop.
You're generalising again
I'm sure that your experience has shown this to be true most of the time, but some people who look like this are ok

[blademan]

Streetcop said:

You will probably already know this, but every police force in the UK has joined the scheme with the exception of three forces: Durham North Yorkshire Merseyside Street

Streetcop.
What do you fellow BiB think of this?

[BliarOut]

Streetcop said:

gh0st said: You probably know this but for every one that joins up, they lose massive public support. I will not envy your job in a few years time when the public kick off not knowing what the real score is... Thanks mate, but the 'public' that it concerns wont 'kick off' because it affects the 'decent' people..the otherwise law abiders... Kicking off occurs when policies affect the poor or the under privaliged etc... Public disorder involves people with skin heads, long hair, coloured hair, big jumpers, combat clothes and scruffy dogs on lengths of string. Street (I'm starting to talk like the retired Major on 'The Fall and Rise of Reggie Perin' )

I'm 39, two kids, house paid for and a respectable job in IT... If such a thing exists Scarily, the way things are in this country right now, I am so up for a fight it's untrue. When Mr middle england feels like this it's time for politicians to stop and look at what they have done.

It's not the baggy jumpers that cause a problem, it's when the suits kick off it gets scary!

[Hamster]

Good job I've got short hair, no jumpers and no dog then

Phew

[The Wiz]

BliarOut said:

Streetcop said: gh0st said: You probably know this but for every one that joins up, they lose massive public support. I will not envy your job in a few years time when the public kick off not knowing what the real score is... Thanks mate, but the 'public' that it concerns wont 'kick off' because it affects the 'decent' people..the otherwise law abiders... Kicking off occurs when policies affect the poor or the under privaliged etc... Public disorder involves people with skin heads, long hair, coloured hair, big jumpers, combat clothes and scruffy dogs on lengths of string. Street (I'm starting to talk like the retired Major on 'The Fall and Rise of Reggie Perin' ) I'm 39, two kids, house paid for and a respectable job in IT... If such a thing exists Scarily, the way things are in this country right now, I am so up for a fight it's untrue. When Mr middle england feels like this it's time for politicians to stop and look at what they have done. It's not the baggy jumpers that cause a problem, it's when the suits kick off it gets scary!

Blairouts right .. I think that you will find that you can only push people up to a certain point. The way things are in this country at present for many that point is brought ever closer.

I marched with the Countryside Alliance ... when I was at Uni I thought that I'd never be doing something like that as demos were for socialist scum only.

[TripleS]

safespeed said:

Streetcop said: You will probably already know this, but every police force in the UK has joined the scheme with the exception of three forces: Durham North Yorkshire Merseyside Street Where does this come from? What about Surrey and Central Scotland Police? The latest DfT information... www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_507640.pdf ...is wrong as well as outdated and shows the North Yorkshire joined in 2003. (which they didn't).

Yes I was extremely disappointed to learn sometime last year that North Yorkshire were planning to set up a Scamera Partnership. I thought we had 'more tea in our can' around here. Anyhow I've not heard any further references to it so did they decide not to go ahead with it? I sure hope so.

Incidentally I do like the attitude of the Durham Police Chief Constable, Paul Garvin, who seems to be standing firm against all the nonsense being perpetrated in most other forces. Good for him. It is to be hoped that North Yorkshire will align themselves with his sensible approach.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[ricardo g]

safespeed said:

[ Where does this come from? What about Surrey and Central Scotland Police? The latest DfT information... www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_507640.pdf ...is wrong as well as outdated and shows the North Yorkshire joined in 2003. (which they didn't).

Central Scotland?..... there are cameras all along the M8... is that not central Scotland?

[Streetcop]

safespeed said:

Streetcop said: You will probably already know this, but every police force in the UK has joined the scheme with the exception of three forces: Durham North Yorkshire Merseyside Street Where does this come from? What about Surrey and Central Scotland Police? The latest DfT information... www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_507640.pdf ...is wrong as well as outdated and shows the North Yorkshire joined in 2003. (which they didn't).

Comes from the latest National Road Policing Newsletter..dated July 2004, which is distributed to road safety organisations too..

Street

[TheExcession]

Streetcop said:

long hair, coloured hair, big jumpers, combat clothes and scruffy dogs on lengths of string.[quote] [quote=BliarOut] ...a respectable job in IT... If such a thing exists Scarily, the way things are in this country right now, I am so up for a fight it's untrue.

Scary that both these comments could describe me to a 'T' - well the dog's not scruffy - but I can see your points

best
Ex

[xxplod]

I happened to speak with the bod who runs the Ticket Office for my force, and processes all the Revenue Camera tickets. If only I'd had a hidden camera! I should write a book, "How to get off Gatso tickets."

Should say really, but hey! I'm not saying anything that anyone with a bit of nouse couldn't work out for themselves. The Safety Camera Partnerships do not have any "investigators." That is to say, people who go out, and make enquries at addresses to locate people etc... One solution, if you are minded/desperate enough is this:

Invent a ficticious company. Say, "ABC Ltd." Take out a mail box. Like Mailboxes etc... in most High Streets, only not them, as they are above board and reputable and will give any details they have to the BiB. There are plenty of less reputable firms if you know where to look. Register your car in the false company name, at the mailbox address. Tip: choose a mailbox address that is 100+ miles away from anywhere you are ever likely to drive.

Now look at it from BiBs point of view. Car Gatso'd. NIP sent to R/O, i.e. the mailbox. No response. BiB will send a chasing letter. They may also write to the previous keeper, so be careful how you buy the car. Still no response. If it was a local address, they might ask a local BiB to call. But, as it is 1. Miles away, and 2. a mailbox - they won't bother. Ticket will be written off, BUT, they may well put a marker on PNC for the vehicle. So, if e.g. you went through an ANPR camera, you'd more than likely get pulled.

Also, the BiB will not go to the lengths of obtaining a Court Order to force the Mailbox company to say who owns the mailbox. Assuming you give them proper details in the first place. The elusive character will give false details, pay in cash for the mailbox service for a year at a time. Then just phone the Mailbox co. and ask them to send any correspondance to whatever address. Tell them there is no need to keep a record of this, and believe me, they won't.

If you are pulled, then.... of course! You only bought the car last week didn't you? Off some bloke in the ......(rough area of mailbox) area! Friend of a friend... buys and sells cars.... you get the picture?

Don't get me wrong. Nothing is fool proof. Insurance info. is on PNC, so if you're shown as the policy holder for the last 10 months at your mailbox, you may be caught out. But... the statutory limitation for a speding offence is 6 months. You've only got to get away with it for that long.

It's a first class pain in the arse. But, these are the kind of tactics that serious criminals will use to stop the vehicles they use from ever being associated to a person or to an address. I guess it depends how desperate you are!

[Streetcop]

[g_attrill]

xxplod said:

But, these are the kind of tactics that serious criminals will use to stop the vehicles they use from ever being associated to a person or to an address. I guess it depends how desperate you are!

The serious criminals will use a scheme a 1001 times more complicated and one that is highly unlikely to be uncovered. That's why ANPR is of no concern to them whatsoever.

Gareth

[safespeed]

Streetcop said:

safespeed said: [quote=Streetcop]You will probably already know this, but every police force in the UK has joined the scheme with the exception of three forces: Durham North Yorkshire Merseyside Where does this come from? What about Surrey and Central Scotland Police? Comes from the latest National Road Policing Newsletter..dated July 2004, which is distributed to road safety organisations too...

Thanks. I think the info is incomplete - I can't find any evidence around the net that Surrey or Central Scotland Police have joined the scam so far.

[safespeed]

ricardo g said:

Central Scotland?..... there are cameras all along the M8... is that not central Scotland?

I think that'll be Strathclyde. (An aggressive camera partnership).

[james_j]

xxplod said:

I happened to speak with the bod who runs the Ticket Office for my force, and processes all the Revenue Camera tickets. If only I'd had a hidden camera! I should write a book, "How to get off Gatso tickets." Should say really, but hey! I'm not saying anything that anyone with a bit of nouse couldn't work out for themselves. The Safety Camera Partnerships do not have any "investigators." That is to say, people who go out, and make enquries at addresses to locate people etc... One solution, if you are minded/desperate enough is this: Invent a ficticious company. Say, "ABC Ltd." Take out a mail box. Like Mailboxes etc... in most High Streets, only not them, as they are above board and reputable and will give any details they have to the BiB. There are plenty of less reputable firms if you know where to look. Register your car in the false company name, at the mailbox address. Tip: choose a mailbox address that is 100+ miles away from anywhere you are ever likely to drive. Now look at it from BiBs point of view. Car Gatso'd. NIP sent to R/O, i.e. the mailbox. No response. BiB will send a chasing letter. They may also write to the previous keeper, so be careful how you buy the car. Still no response. If it was a local address, they might ask a local BiB to call. But, as it is 1. Miles away, and 2. a mailbox - they won't bother. Ticket will be written off, BUT, they may well put a marker on PNC for the vehicle. So, if e.g. you went through an ANPR camera, you'd more than likely get pulled. Also, the BiB will not go to the lengths of obtaining a Court Order to force the Mailbox company to say who owns the mailbox. Assuming you give them proper details in the first place. The elusive character will give false details, pay in cash for the mailbox service for a year at a time. Then just phone the Mailbox co. and ask them to send any correspondance to whatever address. Tell them there is no need to keep a record of this, and believe me, they won't. If you are pulled, then.... of course! You only bought the car last week didn't you? Off some bloke in the ......(rough area of mailbox) area! Friend of a friend... buys and sells cars.... you get the picture? Don't get me wrong. Nothing is fool proof. Insurance info. is on PNC, so if you're shown as the policy holder for the last 10 months at your mailbox, you may be caught out. But... the statutory limitation for a speding offence is 6 months. You've only got to get away with it for that long. It's a first class pain in the arse. But, these are the kind of tactics that serious criminals will use to stop the vehicles they use from ever being associated to a person or to an address. I guess it depends how desperate you are!

Exactly. It doesn't take much imagination to do what is really a such a simple procedure.

Like all laws designed to fleece the motorist, they will only catch those who don't go to the (small) effort of trying to evade.

[Streetcop]

g_attrill said:

xxplod said: But, these are the kind of tactics that serious criminals will use to stop the vehicles they use from ever being associated to a person or to an address. I guess it depends how desperate you are! The serious criminals will use a scheme a 1001 times more complicated and one that is highly unlikely to be uncovered. That's why ANPR is of no concern to them whatsoever. Gareth

I agree with you in part Gareth, but I've known ANPR operations in my force alone that have netted Armed Robbers, people smugglers and the occasional big drug courier...in addition to all the minor stuff.

Street