Cayman PCCB's potential headache or not ?
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A car with PCCB would not put me off; in fact it would encourage me to buy it. PCCB do cost a lot to replace but typically last much longer depending on the use. I have seen some 996 GT2s fitted with PCCB lasting 6,000 miles but others which have lasted up to 80,000 miles. The Cayman is likely to have the latest generation of these Carbon Brakes and really should have much fewer problems. The early cars fitted with these brakes on the 996 suffered from the ceramic material becoming brittle and breaking off – the ones fitted to a Cayman are much better and should not have the same problems. If you ever do need to replace them, then you can always pick up a set of standard callipers and revert the car back to standard set-up.
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I would deffo buy a PCCB car over a non-PCCB car. Price-wise of used vehicle - probably not much in it, so enjoy the benefit of the ceramics, and the potential for them to last the life of the car. 996 GT3 at 911V had 170k miles on the same discs, and still didn't need replacing. OPC told me they have NEVER yet replaced or ordered a PCCB disk, so they certainly seem more durable than their name suggests.
They do need extra care though, removing and replacing wheels carefully, changing pads as soon as recommended, stones in calipers etc etc
If the worst comes to the worst, which is highly unlikely, swap to steels.
They do need extra care though, removing and replacing wheels carefully, changing pads as soon as recommended, stones in calipers etc etc
If the worst comes to the worst, which is highly unlikely, swap to steels.
So how much would it be to put steelies back on, is the rest of the braking system the same ?
The car is this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3881745.htm I guess there is no price premium for PCCB's ?
The car is this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3881745.htm I guess there is no price premium for PCCB's ?
I bought my Cayman used a year ago, it has PCCBs.
I was a bit worried initially due to the high replacement cost but I haven't had any problems so far. In around 12k miles they don't seem to have worn much, the discs look new and the pads have 8mm left. I'm not sure but I think they are the original pads, car has done 38k now.
You have to be careful when getting the tyres changed as they can ( allegedly ) chip easily. My car was supplied with two screw in bars which you can use to slide the wheels off which means the wheel cannot contact the discs.
I am still a bit paranoid and keep finding myself checking the discs for wear but so far, so good.
There are some companies in the US ( Girodisc ) that have bolt on replacement steel discs for PCCB cars. I think there are about 2k for a full set so if they ever did get damaged it might be a cheaper option.
I've no idea how much discs actually cost from Porsche, rumours range from 2k each to 4k each!
I also have no idea how much pad replacement costs, I think it is a lot more than a standard Cayman S as the front pads are much larger ( 6 pot ), pads are available on the net for around £300 so fitted would probably be £500 or more.
I was a bit worried initially due to the high replacement cost but I haven't had any problems so far. In around 12k miles they don't seem to have worn much, the discs look new and the pads have 8mm left. I'm not sure but I think they are the original pads, car has done 38k now.
You have to be careful when getting the tyres changed as they can ( allegedly ) chip easily. My car was supplied with two screw in bars which you can use to slide the wheels off which means the wheel cannot contact the discs.
I am still a bit paranoid and keep finding myself checking the discs for wear but so far, so good.
There are some companies in the US ( Girodisc ) that have bolt on replacement steel discs for PCCB cars. I think there are about 2k for a full set so if they ever did get damaged it might be a cheaper option.
I've no idea how much discs actually cost from Porsche, rumours range from 2k each to 4k each!
I also have no idea how much pad replacement costs, I think it is a lot more than a standard Cayman S as the front pads are much larger ( 6 pot ), pads are available on the net for around £300 so fitted would probably be £500 or more.
rs4al said:
So how much would it be to put steelies back on, is the rest of the braking system the same ?
The car is this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3881745.htm I guess there is no price premium for PCCB's ?
Thats a nice motor, looooooads of spec there. I'd buy it. Good for the money also.The car is this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3881745.htm I guess there is no price premium for PCCB's ?
I have PCCB on my GT3, and I was paranoid when I first bought it. 2 years later, no problems or issues, so I'm much more relaxed about it. I'd stick a Porsche warranty on that Cayman and enjoy it.
rs4al said:
So how much would it be to put steelies back on, is the rest of the braking system the same ?
The car is this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3881745.htm I guess there is no price premium for PCCB's ?
Not related to the brakes, but I bought my first Boxster from them! They do seem to have some nice stock ...... The car is this one http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3881745.htm I guess there is no price premium for PCCB's ?
On any new performance Porsche (ie with the exception of the Cayenne and, perhaps Panamera), PCCBs would be the first box I'd tick. I've had them on my last three 911s and the list of benefits makes them a 'must have', IMO.
On a used Cayman, I would still want them, but would get a PPI by someone who knew what they were looking for.
There's every reason for them to be perfect and, if so, in normal road use they should last indefinitely. The pads will need replacing at similar intervals to normal pads, and much the same price IIRC.
On a used Cayman, I would still want them, but would get a PPI by someone who knew what they were looking for.
There's every reason for them to be perfect and, if so, in normal road use they should last indefinitely. The pads will need replacing at similar intervals to normal pads, and much the same price IIRC.
I guess its worth noting that the "situation" is slightly more serious if you're going to have the car covered by the Porsche Extended Warranty since one chipped disc will result in you having to have both discs on the same axle replaced - which I think would cost something like £5k.
Hmmmm opc warranty !? The car is due a major which the garage said they would complete but, to put an opc warranty on it, Porsche would complete another major service to approve the warranty !
So buy it unserviced, wait the 3 months, by which time I probably would of done 3500 miles on it ( planned to be a daily driver ) and get it serviced late and a get an opc warranty on it. Or buy it and get a local indie to look after it and risk the expense !?
So buy it unserviced, wait the 3 months, by which time I probably would of done 3500 miles on it ( planned to be a daily driver ) and get it serviced late and a get an opc warranty on it. Or buy it and get a local indie to look after it and risk the expense !?
spyderman8 said:
I guess its worth noting that the "situation" is slightly more serious if you're going to have the car covered by the Porsche Extended Warranty since one chipped disc will result in you having to have both discs on the same axle replaced - which I think would cost something like £5k.
A chipped or damaged disc would be a bona fide insurance claim.My only concern would be that the car may have been tracked, as I can't imagine why someone would spec PCCBs just for road use...
That aside it's a good spec, but I think that car is pricey for the milage! I'm putting mine up for £25,999 at the end of the week with 30,000 on the clock and major service done early!
Just saying
That aside it's a good spec, but I think that car is pricey for the milage! I'm putting mine up for £25,999 at the end of the week with 30,000 on the clock and major service done early!
Just saying
DoubleSix said:
My only concern would be that the car may have been tracked, as I can't imagine why someone would spec PCCBs just for road use...
That aside it's a good spec, but I think that car is pricey for the milage! I'm putting mine up for £25,999 at the end of the week with 30,000 on the clock and major service done early!
Just saying
I've emailed you re your car ! The reason it has pccb's is that it's an ex-Porsche gb car ie demo, haven't found out how long they owned it for yet though.That aside it's a good spec, but I think that car is pricey for the milage! I'm putting mine up for £25,999 at the end of the week with 30,000 on the clock and major service done early!
Just saying
ChrisW. said:
And why would tracking a car (so long as properly serviced) be a problem ?
Just means it's had a harder life, not rocket science really... besides we all know about the oil starvation issues in the 987 that can occur under heavy cornering forces; only likely to occur under track conditions. rs4al said:
I've emailed you re your car ! The reason it has pccb's is that it's an ex-Porsche gb car ie demo, haven't found out how long they owned it for yet though.
e-mail replied to!Personally, and I'm not just saying this to further my own interest, but I wouldn't be interested in an ex-demo car, they invariably live a hard life; get driven hard from cold etc etc
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