Sacked for gross misconduct? here have £250k

[Pesty]

Former chief constable who admitted gross misconduct gets 'shocking' £250,000 payout
A former chief constable is to receive compensation of almost a quarter of a million pounds despite being forced to retire in disgrace, it was revealed yesterday.

Marvelous.

Marvelous. Ok he was not sacked but he was forced to retire. They should have sacked him and saved us all some cash.

A chief constable should be beyond reproach


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9272073/For...

Edited by Pesty on Thursday 17th May 22:40

[baz1985]

There's a simple formula......the bigger the f*** up, the more generous the payout. There's no point in complaining, join in and play the system! Morality is a mere side-show.

[ringram]

Its ok its fiscal stimulus.

[ED209]

not right but part of me thinks its been released now by government spin doctors to help them in shafting the polices fight against the winsor reports. Make cops look like greedy dishonest idiots in the publics eyes!

[Pesty]

ED209 said:

not right but part of me thinks its been released now by government spin doctors to help them in shafting the polices fight against the winsor reports. Make cops look like greedy dishonest idiots in the publics eyes!

i thought the same. obvious 'spin' to show thye waste they are trying to 'stop'.

its still wrong though timing of story accepted

[Deva Link]

ED209 said:

not right but part of me thinks its been released now by government spin doctors to help them in shafting the polices fight against the winsor reports. Make cops look like greedy dishonest idiots in the publics eyes!

I'm not sure the public thinks the rewards given to the top people in such organisations reflect what everyone else gets, but there's definitely a feeling that the top people get too much and aren't suffering. I noticed in our local paper today that our council CEO got a 10% pay rise last year (to £240K). That must sit well with the staff who've had their T's & C's cut not to mention the hundreds who've lost their jobs.

There was a similar kind of deal to the Chief Con's in place for very senior NHS managers - if their jobs changed or ceased to exist they had to be offered redundancy and if they were over 50 then they had to be paid their pension as if they'd reached their normal retirement age of 60.

The last Government quickly changed it when they got rid of a number of PCT CEO's and suddenly realised it was costing typically £1M each to make up their pensions, and they couldn't force them to take other jobs so, in our area where two PCTs merged they had to let both CEOs go and recruit a new one.

Edited by Deva Link on Friday 18th May 00:11

[Puggit]

anonymous said:

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It's the PC attitude of the police authority which has allowed this to happen, by failing to sack him they've triggered all sorts of clauses,

[Elroy Blue]

Standard practice for MPs. I don't see them moaning then.

The Tory spin doctors are on overtime releasing anti-police stories.

[Derek Smith]

Elroy Blue said:

The Tory spin doctors are on overtime releasing anti-police stories.

Spin doctors?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146134/Th...

So the Federation is imposed on the police amking it a management tool, the government bans them from joining a union but all of a sudden we get stories like this in the Mail (although for the third time in recent months) saying that the police union is costing taxpayes money.

It stinks.

[Murph7355]

Puggit said:

It's the PC attitude of the police authority which has allowed this to happen, by failing to sack him they've triggered all sorts of clauses,

It happens all too often in many industries - the cost of tribunals and hassle of going through dismissals is a nightmare, especially if you have poor HR and Legal representation (often the case IME). It's quite simply often cheaper just to pay people off.

This is also down to poor management - lack of clarity over what constitutes poor performance and gross misconduct etc and then being rigorous, and most of all consistent, in enforcing it.. if a good manager sets the boundaries out properly, getting rid of people not up to it is easier (though by no means guaranteed hassle free - it's amazing how well versed in employment law incompetent people often are).

Personally, if someone admits gross misconduct I'd sooner they were sacked and the legal process followed even if it was more expensive. Get a couple of wins under your belt and set a tone that crap won't be tolerated. I think the law could do with a tweak or two also. Perhaps ensure that if someone going to tribunal loses they pick up all costs and have to pay back any legal aid they've received. Make people think harder about going down that route.

Will never happen though.

[andymadmak]

Derek Smith said:

Elroy Blue said:

The Tory spin doctors are on overtime releasing anti-police stories.

Spin doctors?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146134/Th...

So the Federation is imposed on the police amking it a management tool, the government bans them from joining a union but all of a sudden we get stories like this in the Mail (although for the third time in recent months) saying that the police union is costing taxpayes money.

It stinks.

No, what stinks is that the officer concerned wasn't sacked for gross misconduct. Could have saved the tax (rate) payer a chunk of change. As usual, some members of the police see themselves as above the law. It's a shame that people like Derek and Elroy are more concerned that the facts have been made public rather than the offence itself

[Elroy Blue]

andymadmak said:

No, what stinks is that the officer concerned wasn't sacked for gross misconduct. Could have saved the tax (rate) payer a chunk of change. As usual, some members of the police see themselves as above the law. It's a shame that people like Derek and Elroy are more concerned that the facts have been made public rather than the offence itself

What. Like the 'facts' that all Police retire on £70 grand a year at 45 years old. That's common quote in the papers.

Where have any Police seen themselves as above the law. There is no love lost between the rank and file and ACPO. But if you dn't recognise the multitude of anti-Police stories being released, then you really need to get out a bit more.

Still, in five years time, you won't have to worry. Policing will be delivered by G4S, who will simply tell you to fk off as they count the profits.

[andymadmak]

Elroy Blue said:

Still, in five years time, you won't have to worry. Policing will be delivered by G4S, who will simply tell you to fk off as they count the profits.

Hmm. Will I notice the difference?

Police ignoring reported crime ................................. Check!
Police telling bare faced lies................................... Check!
Police scamming me for money .................................... Check!

Nope, no change there!

[Elroy Blue]

andymadmak said:

Hmm. Will I notice the difference?

Police ignoring reported crime ................................. Check!
Police telling bare faced lies................................... Check!
Police scamming me for money .................................... Check!

Nope, no change there!

Good luck with it. I wish you well!

[Jasandjules]

IF he admits gross misconduct then surely it should be termination without pay.

[DSM2]

ED209 said:

not right but part of me thinks its been released now by government spin doctors to help them in shafting the polices fight against the winsor reports. Make cops look like greedy dishonest idiots in the publics eyes!

There was no need to go to this trouble just to do that. A large part of the public is already of that persuasion.

[DSM2]

Elroy Blue said:

Still, in five years time, you won't have to worry. Policing will be delivered by G4S, who will simply tell you to fk off as they count the profits.

Whilst you may be right, there is a fair chance that we would still be the better for it.

[Elroy Blue]

Like I said. Good luck with it. I mean, the privatisation of parking regulation and 'minor' traffic offences has been a roaring success hasn't it ( well, it has for the companies involved).

And private companies having access to all that private and personal data. They're rubbing their hands together already.

[Jasandjules]

DSM2 said:

Whilst you may be right, there is a fair chance that we would still be the better for it.

I couldn't disagree more strongly.

[Simond S]

Elroy Blue said:

Standard practice for MPs. I don't see them moaning then.

The Tory spin doctors are on overtime releasing anti-police stories.

More Tory Spin doctors at work last week

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

I hope the fat copper gets sacked. Nothing but a nasty bully of a man.