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Its almost as good as this one, watching this I was wondering how long the runway was, also the pilot appeared to have to do a lot of correction after he finally took off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9IhQxmt08U&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9IhQxmt08U&fea...
"Excuse me Mr/Ms Cabin Crew, would you be so kind as to ask the Captain if he intends to de-ice?"
Yes - I'll stay.
No - I'm getting off.
The second vid, that amount of rain and the obvious lightning suggests I don't think there was much attention to the radar. Sitting it out is the way forward. Having said that, without being able to see what the radar is showing, it's a bit more tricky to say.
Both cases would be serious arse twitching if I were stuck on board. The first vid more so. Quite shocking really.
Yes - I'll stay.
No - I'm getting off.
The second vid, that amount of rain and the obvious lightning suggests I don't think there was much attention to the radar. Sitting it out is the way forward. Having said that, without being able to see what the radar is showing, it's a bit more tricky to say.
Both cases would be serious arse twitching if I were stuck on board. The first vid more so. Quite shocking really.
Justin Cyder said:
What's the problem?Bit of soft snow on the wings.
Justin Cyder said:
Just abit of snow.... :-)I can just imagine the pilot on the intercom with an air hostess- "Are the wings clear yet?" "No just abit further".... "Now?" "No, little bit more"...... "Ok- you can take off now :-)
Simpo Two said:
Three posts up. Well four now.
Oops so it is...Simpo Two said:
It blew off...
1)eventually, and luckily before the runway ran out2)they had no way or knowing if it would shed, or of knowing how much of it was loose snow as opposed to solid ice
3)even if they did, there would be know way of knowing if it would come off cleanly like it did, or in patches causing an asymmetric flow (a CRJ crashed not long ago when taking off iced up and one wing shed the coating but the other wing stayed snowy)
4)there will still be ice and frost all over that wing, upsetting the airflow
5)Never mind being horrifyingly dangerous, its actually a criminal offence under ICAO regulations to attempt to take off with any sort of aerodynamic surface contamination
^^This is why I brought it up. A contaminated wing is an accident waiting to happen. These guys (not to mention the passengers and crew) were incredibly lucky.
In my gliding days, an old trick the hang glider pilots used was to rub soap on the leading edge if it looked like rain. The soap would explode the water droplets. Those guys knew from bitter experience that a wet wing would raise the stall speed & cause accidents. Even rain is enough to distort the aerofoil on a hang glider wing. If I ever got on an aircraft that taxied with snow on the wings, I would bang the s
te out of the call bell & if that didn't work, I'd be hammering on the doors until they brought the cops to throw me off.
In my gliding days, an old trick the hang glider pilots used was to rub soap on the leading edge if it looked like rain. The soap would explode the water droplets. Those guys knew from bitter experience that a wet wing would raise the stall speed & cause accidents. Even rain is enough to distort the aerofoil on a hang glider wing. If I ever got on an aircraft that taxied with snow on the wings, I would bang the s
te out of the call bell & if that didn't work, I'd be hammering on the doors until they brought the cops to throw me off.Aeroflot now go onto my no fly list. I think I do agree with the people who said they would want off. If they weren't going to deice the aircraft I would want off.
Just to add, an Aeroflot pilot commented on the PPrune thread.
"Hi! I am a pilot from Aeroflot. I would like to add some comments about this video. Many Aeroflot pilots and I were very shocked after watching this video. We have been discussing it on our forum as well, and I think it will not be unpunished."
Just to add, an Aeroflot pilot commented on the PPrune thread.
"Hi! I am a pilot from Aeroflot. I would like to add some comments about this video. Many Aeroflot pilots and I were very shocked after watching this video. We have been discussing it on our forum as well, and I think it will not be unpunished."
Haven't read pprune yet, but that looks very much like an A320 series aircraft. That must have been just a bit icy because I'd have expected the high lift devices to have cleared quite fast if it was just snow, because of the increased flow speed through the slot and associated coanda effect trying to keep the flow attached to the flap element surface.
LukeSi said:
Just to add, an Aeroflot pilot commented on the PPrune thread.
"Hi! I am a pilot from Aeroflot. I would like to add some comments about this video. Many Aeroflot pilots and I were very shocked after watching this video. We have been discussing it on our forum as well, and I think it will not be unpunished."
And he was right - Captain on that flight demoted to first officer, other disciplinary action against other crew involved:"Hi! I am a pilot from Aeroflot. I would like to add some comments about this video. Many Aeroflot pilots and I were very shocked after watching this video. We have been discussing it on our forum as well, and I think it will not be unpunished."
http://www.pprune.org/7223976-post458.html
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