Civic Type R (EP3) or Focus RS MK1?
Discussion
Focus RS MK1 for me thank you very much!
Couple of reasons: their depreciation is next to nothing and left unmolsted and rarely used will be worth a little more in a few years time, personally prefer the styling to that over the EP3, prefer turbo aspiration over Natural aspiration, FRS is more eyecatching to me personally.
Dont get me wrong I absolutely LOVE both these car and would own both at a heart beat!
Couple of reasons: their depreciation is next to nothing and left unmolsted and rarely used will be worth a little more in a few years time, personally prefer the styling to that over the EP3, prefer turbo aspiration over Natural aspiration, FRS is more eyecatching to me personally.
Dont get me wrong I absolutely LOVE both these car and would own both at a heart beat!
I always thought the RS was worth more than an EP3 CTR anyway? Tells you something to start with.
For all the reasons above, I'd agree that a mk1 Focus RS would be a better buy. Stories of sub-25mpg might put you off, but the car will retain its' value better than the common-as-muck Civic Type RRrrrrr
For all the reasons above, I'd agree that a mk1 Focus RS would be a better buy. Stories of sub-25mpg might put you off, but the car will retain its' value better than the common-as-muck Civic Type RRrrrrr
zeppelin said:
What would you choose and why please?
I'm sure the CTR is good, but I see no reason to buy one over a DC2 ITR. The Focus looks a million times better than the Civic and appears to have rock steady residuals too.Personally I just wouldn't be able to get on with driving such a blobby MPV looking think as the EP3.
ucb said:
The CTR is not a great everyday car
How so? Wasn't the Civic designed specifically for that very task?ucb said:
and lacked torque for my liking.
They make as much or more torque than any other 2.0 n/a motor though. Although I admit the contrast between the mid and high rpm performance is striking.Focus RS - Will suffer very little in depreciaiton, faster, cheaper to modify, looks better and i would say is generally a bit more special as others have said although i'm sure a decent one is a fair bit more expensive.
Having driven a Type-R all i can say is that they dont feel that fast and performance wise they sit between smaller hatches think Fiesta ST, Clio 172, etc and the bigger hatches Focus RS, Focus ST, Astra VXR,Seat Leon and the like. They also feel nearer the smaller hathces in terms of size too in my opinion.
On the other hand a Civic Type R with a bolt on supercharger is immensly fast if you decided to go down that route.
Having driven a Type-R all i can say is that they dont feel that fast and performance wise they sit between smaller hatches think Fiesta ST, Clio 172, etc and the bigger hatches Focus RS, Focus ST, Astra VXR,Seat Leon and the like. They also feel nearer the smaller hathces in terms of size too in my opinion.
On the other hand a Civic Type R with a bolt on supercharger is immensly fast if you decided to go down that route.
I like the Focus but have never liked the boy racer interior and would have concerns about the longevity of the turbo and so forth. I would buy an EP3 as I prefer naturally aspirated and while the RS may depreciate lesss, they cost more to start with for that reason and you can get a very nice Type R.
I was also passed by a black shiny EP3 yesterday with rear tints and black wheels and it still turned my head though having owned one briefly, I might be slightly biased. I suspect it's better built too and given it was built in the UK, it's BRITISH!
I was also passed by a black shiny EP3 yesterday with rear tints and black wheels and it still turned my head though having owned one briefly, I might be slightly biased. I suspect it's better built too and given it was built in the UK, it's BRITISH!
I have enjoyed my MK1 Focus RS so far, bought it in January this year. I have spent a fair bit on it as preventative maintenance, new cam belts, tensioners/bolts gaskets etc, water pump, charge cooler pump, new boost hoses, crankcase breather pipes, gear box oil, oil/filter/pollen filter/plugs and 4 new tyres. 
It's a hoot too drive, it's docile in traffic and not too bad MPG wise on a run, maybe get 30 mpg. Give it its head and it'll drop too around 15-19 mpg.
It's a hoot too drive, it's docile in traffic and not too bad MPG wise on a run, maybe get 30 mpg. Give it its head and it'll drop too around 15-19 mpg.
300bhp/ton said:
They make as much or more torque than any other 2.0 n/a motor though. Although I admit the contrast between the mid and high rpm performance is striking.
Well I'm sure a regular Civic is a great everyday car. I find the CTR has a pretty hard ride, which is great if the road us smooth, but a PITA on UK roads. In fact I always thought therear was overdamped and too stiff.
As for the torque, well, I think I'm spoiled by diesel low down shove, so not comparing apples with apples. More of an issue is the accessibility of the engines performance and the fact that you have to be 'on it' to make it perform. I dont drive like that all day, and when the car isn't supple enough to allow to go down a back road and exploit the engine, then you begin to see holes in the everyday usability.
The CTR is great in specific conditions, I loved my first one, but the flaws as an everyday car for me mean its not a place I'd go again.
Not really a fair comparison as you can have a really decent Type R for half the price of the Focus. Perhaps, Civic type R or Focus ST would be a more realistic comparison....
FWIW, if I could afford it, Id take the Focus RS, but a type R over many other hot hatches, as they will one day start appreciating as they are the last screaming revved naturally aspirated hot hatches...
FWIW, if I could afford it, Id take the Focus RS, but a type R over many other hot hatches, as they will one day start appreciating as they are the last screaming revved naturally aspirated hot hatches...
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