NICE and pain management
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drivin_me_nuts

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17,949 posts

242 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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BBC story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18166176


Perhaps not the usual NP and E story, but this really is a hugely important story for so many people.

The really sad legacy of Shipman, the fear of death and fear of drugs is the chronic pain so many people suffer and continue to suffer.

I can understand the fear that people have over taking Opiates, I can understand that some are terrified that it signals the last stages of life. but what I really struggle to understand is the often at times reluctance of those practicing medicine to want to refer those they cannot treat to specialists in pain management. Knowing several in the Palliative 'business' and hearing the exhasperation in their voices when they talk about seeing patients who have suffered for months or years without adequate pain intevention, just makes me wonder where the real ingrained fear within medicine comes from.

The Shipman legacy must surely be more than watching and knowing that so many suffer in abject misery. Quality of life... what quality of life. There is none.

jbudgie

10,130 posts

243 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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It was discussed on BBC breakfast this morning with a GP.

Silent1

19,762 posts

266 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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I'm glad to hear it because there's a lot of people that should get an improved quality of life from this.
It took my GP 18 months to realise that i really needed to go on fentanyl patches but he still has trouble prescribing oxycodone for breakthrough pain which is really hand in hand. The issue he has always had is the fact that i am technically addicted to fentanly and he doesn't want to add oxycodone to it fortunately my specialist is getting involved but had he not then my gp would still be trying to argue with me that dihydrocodeine is enough and the fact i can't work on it is just too bad.

But then on the flipside, you only have to look at the amount of PCTs that don't follow NICE guidelines and i feel this will be taken up very slowly and in very few places because there are so many doctors that are afraid of opiates and constantly get reminded that it's their licence which leads them into the view that their licence is worth more than keeping a few patients happy with the risk of one becoming an abuser.

drivin_me_nuts

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17,949 posts

242 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Silent1 said:
I'm glad to hear it because there's a lot of people that should get an improved quality of life from this.
It took my GP 18 months to realise that i really needed to go on fentanyl patches but he still has trouble prescribing oxycodone for breakthrough pain which is really hand in hand. The issue he has always had is the fact that i am technically addicted to fentanly and he doesn't want to add oxycodone to it fortunately my specialist is getting involved but had he not then my gp would still be trying to argue with me that dihydrocodeine is enough and the fact i can't work on it is just too bad.

But then on the flipside, you only have to look at the amount of PCTs that don't follow NICE guidelines and i feel this will be taken up very slowly and in very few places because there are so many doctors that are afraid of opiates and constantly get reminded that it's their licence which leads them into the view that their licence is worth more than keeping a few patients happy with the risk of one becoming an abuser.
The fear of addiction is one part of the equation... It's very sad that the fear and misunderstanding over Opiates stops a great many getting the help they need. But the flip side is also that there is a general public misconception over the fear of addiction, made worse by lurid stories.

Silent1

19,762 posts

266 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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drivin_me_nuts said:
The fear of addiction is one part of the equation... It's very sad that the fear and misunderstanding over Opiates stops a great many getting the help they need. But the flip side is also that there is a general public misconception over the fear of addiction, made worse by lurid stories.
yesdefinitely, not helped by the Daily Soovy

Somewhatfoolish

5,104 posts

217 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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Even worse in the US, there the DEA is constantly going after doctors for "over prescribing" and similar crap.

Strange they're doing this while now they won't sell you co-codamol for more than 3 days use, you could take enough of those tablets to kill you with the paracetamol and you would hardly notice the codeine (from an abuse point of view)

p.s. s1 sitrep coming soon...

Stu R

21,701 posts

246 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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Yup, try the US on for size. My OH has degenerative spinal disc disease and suffers constant pain that even strong stuff doesn't take the edge off on a good day. Instead of the multitude of docs she's got using their brains and prescribing what's right, they'll stick her on the lowest dose to start with, even knowing full well it won't do a thing - they gave her weak paracetamol to take after having vertebrae fused in her neck, even though she couldn't take her usual painkillers for her lower spine for 6 months after the op. This, combined with a shower of shat health insurance provider make the stuff we get in the UK a dream by comparison.

I've had no problem getting seriously strong painkillers for my various ailments on repeat in the UK, yet someone desperately in need of the same stuff with a bells and whistles level of insurance coverage over there with a far worse condition than mine might as well try asking for heroin from our experience. They're terrified to prescribe anything effective, so the quality of life of the patient becomes almost irrelevant.

Edited by Stu R on Saturday 26th May 04:56

Jasandjules

72,683 posts

260 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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I know that when I was in severe pain I was told I was on the maximum they could prescribe..... Yeah cheers, that is not helping!

Funny how if we let a dog be in this much pain we could be prosecuted but it's fine to leave people this way?!?!?

sjn2004

4,051 posts

268 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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NICE is simply a government tool for reducing NHS spending by selectively picking on data or need be simply making it up in order to fit the "financial" picture.

Jasandjules

72,683 posts

260 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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sjn2004 said:
NICE is simply a government tool for reducing NHS spending by selectively picking on data or need be simply making it up in order to fit the "financial" picture.
As is every Govt institution IMHO.

Deliveredenergy

54 posts

219 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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National Institute for Curbing Expenditure......