Pre 1960 MoT exemption - good or bad (poll)
Pre 1960 MoT exemption - good or bad (poll)

Poll: Pre 1960 MoT exemption - good or bad (poll)

Total Members Polled: 201

Pre 1960 cars should not need an MoT: 40%
Pre 1960 cars should need an MoT: 60%
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kambites

Original Poster:

71,222 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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I'm intrigued to know whether the majority on here are for or against this. Assume no other changes from the current system, would it be a good or bad thing overall for pre 1960 cars to be exempt from the MoT test requirement.

Corpulent Tosser

5,468 posts

272 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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I could see an argument for reducing the period between tests for older cars if for example they were only doing 1000miles/year maybe a two yearly test, but the thought of restoration projects which were put on hold because the owners could not get them to MOT standards suddenly being on the road concerns me.

kambites

Original Poster:

71,222 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Perhaps, but that's not the proposal on the table.

crocodile tears

755 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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neither.

I think they should have a basic test without the bullchit like emissions, wipers etc

jagnet

4,441 posts

229 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Corpulent Tosser said:
but the thought of restoration projects which were put on hold because the owners could not get them to MOT standards suddenly being on the road concerns me.
And how many pre 1960 restoration projects are being put on hold because the owner can't get them to MOT standard. Most are on hold whilst the owner finds the elusive original double flange widget thingumy to complete the project to their OCD levels of satisfaction.

kambites

Original Poster:

71,222 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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crocodile tears said:
neither.

I think they should have a basic test without the bullchit like emissions, wipers etc
That's what the current MoT test is for old cars.

crocodile tears

755 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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kambites said:
crocodile tears said:
neither.

I think they should have a basic test without the bullchit like emissions, wipers etc
That's what the current MoT test is for old cars.
I was unaware frown thought it was more to do with testers using common sense

Major Fallout

5,278 posts

258 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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I dont trust the government!

Restrictions will be next! Let me have my MOT and be on my merry way please.

kambites

Original Poster:

71,222 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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crocodile tears said:
I was unaware.. I thought it was more down to the mot guys using common sense

a bit like the requirement due to the new rules with airbags and cars stripped out
It's not quite that daft, cars are explicitly exempt from tests that cover things that were not a legal requirement at the time of manufacture.

srob

12,480 posts

265 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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kambites said:
I'm intrigued to know whether the majority on here are for or against this. Assume no other changes from the current system, would it be a good or bad thing overall for pre 1960 cars to be exempt from the MoT test requirement.
Are you going to ask how many people have ever actually either driven/ridden a pre-1960 vehicle, or ever had any experience of trying to use one regularly and know how much work it involves?

I think that it's pretty relevant as anyone that has tried, knows you can't "just pump the tyres up and drive", as someone reckoned on the other thread.

rolleyes

Motorrad

6,811 posts

214 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Regulation is a bad thing, therefore I voted no.

kambites

Original Poster:

71,222 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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No I'm not, because that wasn't the point of the poll.

crocodile tears

755 posts

173 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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kambites said:
crocodile tears said:
I was unaware.. I thought it was more down to the mot guys using common sense

a bit like the requirement due to the new rules with airbags and cars stripped out
It's not quite that daft, cars are explicitly exempt from tests that cover things that were not a legal requirement at the time of manufacture.
but in terms of if a car was fitted with an airbag - with 'new rules' to pass it has to work

I don't think it should fail.. and I believe theres an exception for 'racing cars' as it where but where do you draw the line?

srob

12,480 posts

265 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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kambites said:
No I'm not, because that wasn't the point of the poll.
No, but it would prove whether people were speaking from experience of the subject, wouldn't it?

kambites

Original Poster:

71,222 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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srob said:
kambites said:
No I'm not, because that wasn't the point of the poll.
No, but it would prove whether people were speaking from experience of the subject, wouldn't it?
The question in the poll was "do you think it's a good idea?", not "do you think it would be a good idea and have direct experience to back up why you think it would be a bad idea?". Feel free to start the other poll and get completely different answers, but that's not the question I was asking.

benjfrst

823 posts

217 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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I think people who think it's a good idea have a pre 1960 car, know they keep it roadworthy and this helps them.

I think people who think it's a bad idea are looking at the bigger picture.

benjfrst

823 posts

217 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Major Fallout said:
I dont trust the government!

Restrictions will be next! Let me have my MOT and be on my merry way please.
yes

Thank you, I'm not going mad.

But I don't think anyone else is listening banghead

Excelsior

1,455 posts

232 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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All that scaremongering about restrictions was put about when the free tax introduced.....

....this brings us into line with the rest of the EU nothing else

If you don't have a pre-60 vehicle please leave this matter to those that do - in those circles (particularly with the much earlier machines as I have) this is a positive step

benjfrst

823 posts

217 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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Excelsior said:
All that scaremongering about restrictions was put about when the free tax introduced.....

....this brings us into line with the rest of the EU nothing else

If you don't have a pre-60 vehicle please leave this matter to those that do - in those circles (particularly with the much earlier machines as I have) this is a positive step
No I don't think I will thanks, you don't have exclusive rights because you own something that I have every right and ability to own.

How much do you know about it anyway? Did you know there were 3 seperate optitions?

Option 1
Exempt all pre-1960 manufactured vehicles from the statutory MoT test as allowed under Article 4(2) of the EU Directive 2009/40/EC. The inclusion of all categories of vehicles will make the MoT test requirement match the unladen pre-1960 manufactured HGVs, which are already exempted from the roadworthiness test under The Goods Vehicles (Plating and Testing) Regulations 1988.

Option 2
Exempt all pre-1945 manufactured vehicles from the statutory MoT test as allowed under Article 4(2) of the EU Directive 2009/40/EC. Under this option, vehicles manufactured between 1945 and 1959 will still be subject to statutory MoT test.

Option 3
Exempt all pre-1920 manufactured vehicles from the MoT test as allowed under Article 4(2) of the EU Directive 2009/40/EC. Under this option, Vehicles manufactured between 1920 and 1959 will still be subject to statutory MoT test.



Options 2 & 3 I do agree with.

By the sounds of your 'much' earlier machine I have as much right to discuss this matter for my particular interest in 50's vehicles as you do.



Edited by benjfrst on Wednesday 23 May 16:39


Edited by benjfrst on Wednesday 23 May 16:41

Major Fallout

5,278 posts

258 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2012
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The problem is some parts of the EU do have restrictions on old cars. I also voted no for the free road tax.

If we don't pay road tax and we don't have an MOT, we don't really get a vote. It would be ever so easy to say that group of car is banned from city centres and only to be used at weekends.

Its not difficult to get a pre 1960 through an MOT.

By the way I own 4 pre 1920 cars and work on a lot of others, so I should have my chance to speak my mind.