failed mot on handbrake
failed mot on handbrake
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occasionaluse

Original Poster:

78 posts

238 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Search is not working so sorry for a question that i know has been answered.
Can failed MOT on handbrake (8%) - how can i adjust this properly - 2/3 clicks on lever.
Advice or pointers please.

PRTVR

8,222 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Worth trying foot hard down on the footbrake and pulling up repeatedly on the hand brake, the self adjusting is built into the caliper on my car and sometimes fails to work.

Hedgehopper

1,542 posts

274 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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You need more than 2/3 clicks on the lever for the lever to actuate the adjusters (p.174/175 in 'the bible'). My car had the same problem as yours but slackenng the cable to allow 4/5 clicks got me through the MOT. Applying pressure to the footbrake at the same time as setting the handbrake also seems to help.
The cable adjuster is buried in the chassis and can be accessed by removing the o/s rear wheel. Look for the two white nylon adjusters on the cable. Screw the adjusters towards the rear of the car to slacken handbrake lever. Make sure you do this with the handbrake off.

Edited by Hedgehopper on Thursday 24th May 10:44

TV8

3,552 posts

205 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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How did they test it?

rigga

8,806 posts

231 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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TV8 said:
How did they test it?
^^^^^This would be my question, and by the 8% results tou stated I guess they roller brake,tested it, which is a no no on these, cars,with a LSD fitted.

They are never great from new but I found that by fully slackening off the hand brake adjuster, pressing the brake pedal many times to ensure the self adjusting calipers are fully wound equally, then re adjusting the cable so that 4 or so clicks can be achieved with the footbrake applied it holds the car very well, just my experience though.
Mine passes the handbrake test no problem with the electronic Taplow meter they now employ instead of roller testing it, my Subaru gets tested the same for the same reason.

occasionaluse

Original Poster:

78 posts

238 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Thanks for the info guys. I do no know how it was tested as i left the car with them - but i will ask.
Handbrake has always been awful - but i will try to adjust to give more clicks - callipers are new so hopefully they are ok.
Fingers crossed for the retest on Monday.

chrispitman

742 posts

284 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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2-3 Clicks is not enough to get the self adjusting calipers to work, you need to slacken off the cable.

The adjustment point on the cable is up on the top chassis frame some where near the front of the diff and suspension arms points, try either under neath or via wheel arch. Adjuster is just twisted to slacken or thighten was quite tough to move tho.

Edited by chrispitman on Thursday 24th May 16:34

PRTVR

8,222 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Ah.....I read his request as he wanted to get the lever to only come up 2 or 3 clicks.

Chilliman

12,423 posts

191 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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It may be that your handbrake is OK, but they're very difficult to fully ratchet up, i.e. need to get the right leverage. It's possible the tester just couldn't pull the last click on it... Has happened to me. Just recently I had it on the ramps at the local tyre place, guy couldn't get the handbrake to hold. After a couple of words in his ear he braced himself up a bit, gave it a more manly pull and it was fine wink

haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Had mine tested last week.

Because of the LSD, the guy had a meter thingy that he placed on the floor and we went for a spin.
Braked firmly with foot pedal, instant pass, repeated with handbrake, (that would have slowed it down by about Preston!) as we have lovely long footwells, I gently squeezed the brake out of sight at the same time as pulling the lever.
Result, another pass!

carsy

3,019 posts

195 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Whats this with an lsd the rear brakes shouldnt be tested on rollers.

rigga

8,806 posts

231 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Shouldnt hold one wheel stationaey and rotate the other with a LSD rear axle,not good for it from what i gather,so roadtest with a meter to measure braking force is used,used to be a big old metal guage thing,but now its a hand held gizmo that does the same job.


haircutmike

22,511 posts

234 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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rigga said:
Shouldnt hold one wheel stationaey and rotate the other with a LSD rear axle,not good for it from what i gather,so roadtest with a meter to measure braking force is used,used to be a big old metal guage thing,but now its a hand held gizmo that does the same job.
That's what my tester said, his was a big ol metal thing!

SILICONEKID340HP

14,997 posts

261 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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If it does a 360 degree hand brake turn tell the mot examiner to fcensoredk off !

Pink_Floyd

900 posts

251 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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chrispitman said:
2-3 Clicks is not enough to get the self adjusting calipers to work, you need to slacken off the cable.
If there is not enough slack in the cable the mechanisim in the caliper will not self adjust. It works by the hand brake leaver on the caliper being in its off position, then when the foot brake is applied the internal ratchet can move and adjust the pads to the correct position. If the brake leaver on the caliper is NOT in its off position then the ratchet won't adjust, and so the hand brake will never work properly.

TVR Beaver

2,874 posts

210 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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rigga said:
Shouldnt hold one wheel stationaey and rotate the other with a LSD rear axle,not good for it from what i gather,so roadtest with a meter to measure braking force is used,used to be a big old metal guage thing,but now its a hand held gizmo that does the same job.
?? How does that work on the road then?.. say you spin up one wheel on ice whilst the other is still?... would the LSD stop you doing this?.. mine has always gone on the rollers??.. smile

Pink_Floyd

900 posts

251 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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TVR Beaver said:
How does that work on the road then?.. say you spin up one wheel on ice whilst the other is still?... would the LSD stop you doing this?.. mine has always gone on the rollers??.. smile
Yes, whith one wheel on ice it will spin a little bit and the diff will lock and the power will go to both wheels.
The difference with the rollers is that the diff is not being driven by the prop shaft but buy the wheels, with some force, which does the diff no good at all.

TVR Beaver

2,874 posts

210 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Okay.. we'd better stop doing that then... what does it do tothe diff?.. how would you know if it was damaged?..

occasionaluse

Original Poster:

78 posts

238 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Well it passed - slackened of the cable (thanks for that tip) - still only 16% but better than the 8 it failed on.
I noticed the diff was leaking whilst doing it - need to work out where from - grrr.
I found out they used rollers BTW - bugger - how do i check for damage form that?

SILICONEKID340HP

14,997 posts

261 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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occasionaluse said:
Well it passed - slackened of the cable (thanks for that tip) - still only 16% but better than the 8 it failed on.
I noticed the diff was leaking whilst doing it - need to work out where from - grrr.
I found out they used rollers BTW - bugger - how do i check for damage form that?
I just show my MOT man a block of wood in the boot ,he then OK`s it laugh