RE: Happy 40th, Spaghetti Junction
RE: Happy 40th, Spaghetti Junction
Thursday 24th May 2012

Happy 40th, Spaghetti Junction

Infamous interchange hits the big four-zero



It's a big day for one of the UK's most famous interchanges, as the infamous Spaghetti Junction turns 40.

Opened on this day back in 1972 (by none other than Secretary of State for the environment, Peter Walker - everybody say 'ooohhh'), the Gravelly Hill Interchange as it is officially known, became the keystone of the Midlands Links project to join up the M5, M6 and A38 Aston Expressway into the centre of Birmingham.

Canals, trains  Mways - transport archeaology
Canals, trains Mways - transport archeaology
Costing around £10m (a surprisingly frugal £90m in today's money), the junction took four years to complete. To help minimise disruption and demolition to the local area, it followed the path of the local canals and rivers - the designers even placed some of the 500 supporting concrete columns in such a way as to permit barges to continue to be drawn by horse along the towpath.

"This is perhaps the most exciting day in the history of the road system in this country" said Mr Walker, speaking with what today sounds like absurd hyperbole at the official opening of the road. But there was a genuine frisson of excitement surrounding what the Birmingham Evening Mail's Roy Smith coined Spaghetti Junction - in the weeks running up to the opening of the interchange a Burton-on-Trent bus company even ran half-day tours around the new stretch of road, for the heady cost of 65p.

Since then, the heavy traffic across the interchange (and the consequent need for near-constant repairs) has somewhat soured the public's relationship with Spaghetti Junction. Its complex nature has always been a point of worry for nervous drivers, too - as recently as 2009 it was voted Britain's most intimidating road in a survey of 3,225 drivers.

But despite its intimidating nature and the fears that, as with many other elevated concrete roadways such as the A4 Hammersmith Flyover, it may continue to crumble, the Gravelly hill interchange will be with us for a while yet. It's designed to last 120 years, so it's barely a third of the way through its life. Happy birthday, Spaghetti junction...

Ps - if you want to find out more about Spaghetti Junction, check out ITV Central's brilliant "Forty facts for forty years of the Spaghetti Junction"

 

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Mr P and R

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202 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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A-maze-ing biggrin

loudlashadjuster

6,113 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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It's the (lack of) cost of the thing that gets me.

I mean, £10M then = £90M now? What's that buy you these days? 5 miles of straight motorway? I shudder to think of the cost of building SJ now - hundreds of millions certainly.

This kind of thing always pops into my head when I think of the big numbers bandied about for infrastructure projects. No matter what the cost today the future cost will make it look like a bargain, and you'll have years of use out of it by then aswell.

Let's build!

GranCab

2,914 posts

170 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Building anything like this today would cost £10 million and take 10 years in planning meetings and consultations before anyone dare start work on it ...

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

181 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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GranCab said:
Building anything like this today would cost £10 million and take 10 years in planning meetings and consultations before anyone dare start work on it ...
And then they wouldn't be allowed because a newt once swam past. . . . . .

EDLT

15,421 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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If that is nice-ish I'll avoid the rest of Birmingham.

flashgit

57 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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I'm glad I didn't look that old and rundown at 40! (not the Morgan, the junction!)

iandews

2,893 posts

195 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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You can celebrate this occasion in stand-still traffic on it pretty much any time of day.

dan tournay

487 posts

232 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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It's the work of a crazy man who throws a canal and railway line and the longest elevated motorway in into it too.

An engineering masterpiece smile

12gauge

1,274 posts

198 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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loudlashadjuster said:
It's the (lack of) cost of the thing that gets me.

I mean, £10M then = £90M now? What's that buy you these days? 5 miles of straight motorway? I shudder to think of the cost of building SJ now - hundreds of millions certainly.
Or about 5 yards of High speed rail...

ewenm

28,506 posts

269 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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The Crack Fox said:
Ah, I did a Happy Birthday Spaghetti Junction story, but in a Morgan, there are some nice(ish) parts of Spag-Junc to drive if you know where to look wink

Great pic! thumbup

GarryA

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188 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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12gauge said:
Or about 5 yards of High speed rail...
Meh, it only costs £100k per yard.

loudlashadjuster

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208 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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12gauge said:
Or about 5 yards of High speed rail...
And that, in a roundabout way, is what I'm talking about.

If HS2 was built in the 80s (think: TGV) everyone would've baulked at the (today's cost * 0.3) expenditure, but looked at today it would seem a bargain and it would've provided 25 years service and benefit to the ecomony by now.

Similarly, future generations will look back at the £30B+ cost of HS2 and think "bargain!".

Before you think I'm some pro-HS2 zealot, I live in the Chilterns near Amersham and the route passes less than a mile from my house. What I am though is practical.

DanB7290

5,535 posts

214 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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I'll echo the comments about the relatively low cost and the fact it took just 4 years. Suppose there were no health and safety bods about back then, no greenies trying to save the ultra rare Birmingham swallow or whatever. If it cost £90m in today's money, that would probably be spent just on H&S and moving the rare endangered Birmingham swallow 500 yards out of the way. [Daily Mail mode] What happened to this country? [/Daily Mail mode]

markbuck14

65 posts

171 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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iandews said:
You can celebrate this occasion in stand-still traffic on it pretty much any time of day.
+1 I live about 3 miles from it and can only assume that picture was taken very early on a Sunday morning judging by the volume of traffic. Any other time it's just a very complicated looking traffic jam...banghead

Rostfritt

3,098 posts

175 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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loudlashadjuster said:
Before you think I'm some pro-HS2 zealot, I live in the Chilterns near Amersham and the route passes less than a mile from my house. What I am though is practical.
Are you in an area blighted by 'say no to HS2' placards? If they tried to build that today they would have to spend years removing protesters from trees and arguing the business case for connecting several major roads where they cross each other.

There is a perfectly reasonable planned junction near me that would involve the demolition of approximately no buildings that would improve traffic massively. It has been on the drawing board forever but will never be built because of the aggro it would cause.

Redlake27

2,255 posts

268 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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I work for Dunlop, and Fort Dunlop is another 'M6 icon' so early one Sunday morning last month we sent all off our Racing Support trucks out to say happy birthday, Spaghetti.

I hope you like the pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/crpr/7195147726/

dan tournay

487 posts

232 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Redlake27 said:
That's brilliant smile

iandews

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195 months

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dan tournay said:
That's brilliant smile
+1, love it.

williredale

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Thursday 24th May 2012
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dan tournay said:
That's brilliant smile
+1!

Redlake27

2,255 posts

268 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Thankyou. It took 5 attempts at synchronisation to get them to all leave their start points at the right time to get all ten trucks on the junction at the same time. It was a bit tense, as we'd only booked an aerial photographer for 15 mins, so we had to get it right on the last attempt!

If you look at the flickr album, there's some shots from the superprix track too.