What Rear Derailleur?
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james239

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412 posts

194 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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Current derailleur is a Shimano Deore XT Shadow. Only 2 months old (although a fair bit of abuse - 600 ish miles, including trips to Cwmcarn, Cannock and a race at Swinley).

However, it no longer springs back to keep tension in the chain. Can keep it in one gear and just about cope, but obviously the chain sags when the rear suspension compresses. Also, I can move into bigger cogs because this won't cause the chain to sag, just then can't move back into a smaller cog afterwards.

Anyone come across this before? I assume I'll need a new derailleur but don't want to use another Shadow if they have a bad reputation.

Will something like a SRAM X9 work with Shimano shifters or would they need replacing too? Gear cables are routed through the down tube so don't wanna have to replace those as you need to remove the bottom bracket to route the cables apparently!

Fluffsri

3,410 posts

225 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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I remeber guys saying the SRAM has a different ratio of pull to Shimano, not sure on the new stuff though.

jaedba2604

3,921 posts

176 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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think most of the sram stuff was a direct ratio, whereas shimano has a 2:1 or something, anyway, last time i looked you needed to match shifters and mechs.

2 months doesn't seem a lot to me, irrespective of what you said you've done. do shimano still do the heavier duty stuff? saint? would that be more suited to your needs?

sorry, been a year or two since i read up on these things...

stuarthat

1,109 posts

247 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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new xtr with clutch works well reduced slap.

jii

1 posts

172 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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Take it off the bike, drown it in GT85 (WD40) and move it back and forth by hand until it frees up. Clean it off, oil it with chain lube, and it should be fine. Lube the pivots regularly to stop it happening again.

If you ave to replace it, XT shadow is pretty decent kit so I would replace it with the same, or SLX if you want something good but cheaper. SRAM stuff isn't compatible unless you change the shifter as well (unless you go for their really cheap range...)

james239

Original Poster:

412 posts

194 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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It's already had lots of WD40 through it and been oiled. After lots of moving it back and forth by hand I freed it up.

Left it overnight and it had seized again. LBS told me it was just dirty and needed a clean so they failed to spot the actual problem.

Getting another LBS to have a look but if they can't figure out the problem, or just tell me it's fked, I'll replace it. Pretty annoyed its broken already though given how much I spent on the bike (canyon nerve am) - my previous bike (£500 full sus giant) never had any drivetrain problems and that was budget SRAM x5 stuff I hardly ever even cleaned/lubed!

james239

Original Poster:

412 posts

194 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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It's already had lots of WD40 through it and been oiled. After lots of moving it back and forth by hand I freed it up.

Left it overnight and it had seized again. LBS told me it was just dirty and needed a clean so they failed to spot the actual problem.

Getting another LBS to have a look but if they can't figure out the problem, or just tell me it's fked, I'll replace it. Pretty annoyed its broken already though given how much I spent on the bike (canyon nerve am) - my previous bike (£500 full sus giant) never had any drivetrain problems and that was budget SRAM x5 stuff I hardly ever even cleaned/lubed!

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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although its complete overkill, find out if there is anyone with an ultrasonic cleaning machine near you? it sounds like there is something on the mech thats causing the corrosion, particularly if after leaving it for a few hours its seizing again.

The Shimano website has a brilliant tech docs section so you could easily strip it and rebuild it youself, it depends what cleaning solution you are using, lube alone probably wont shift whatever is on there.

ratbane

1,395 posts

245 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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2months old? Take it back. Never had any problems with XT RDs in the past (apart from completely mullering them on stumps).

Mr E

23,040 posts

288 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Fluffsri said:
I remeber guys saying the SRAM has a different ratio of pull to Shimano, not sure on the new stuff though.
jaedba2604 said:
think most of the sram stuff was a direct ratio, whereas shimano has a 2:1 or something, anyway, last time i looked you needed to match shifters and mechs.
Yes, exactly. However, you can run a SRAM shifter with a shimano front mech (X7 and XT in my case) and it appears to work.