RE: Liverpool leads whiplash claims
RE: Liverpool leads whiplash claims
Tuesday 29th May 2012

Liverpool leads whiplash claims

Scousers most likely to claim for whiplash according to Government figures



Britain's shameful record on whiplash payouts is back in the news after it was revealed that Liverpool is the city with the highest number of claims per resident in the UK.

The latest figures from the Department of Work and Pensions reveal that in the year to the end of March 2011, claims made in the city totalled 18,500, or 22 per 1,000 residents. Silver medal in the claim shame stakes went to Uxbridge, West London with 21 per 1,000 residents with Oldham, Manchester next with 20 per 1,000.

Of the 10 cities with the least claims, nine were in Scotland. That can be explained by the fact that Scotland clamps down much harder on referral fees, the bizarre and highly controversial system by which insurers encourage speculative claims by selling on details of crash claimants to personal injury companies. "I don't believe people in Scotland have significantly stronger necks," Dominic Clayden, claims director at Aviva, told the Financial Times.

According to the AA, whiplash claims add an extra £90 to every single insurance premium. Last year insurers paid out £2 billion to settle just over half a million claims. A survey of doctors last year estimates around a quarter are bogus.

The problem is that it's too easy to fool the doctor. "You're unlikely to see any evidence because, if it's there, it's all in the soft tissue," said Richard Cuerden, technical director for vehicle safety at the Transport Research Laboratory.

Evidence of how ridiculous the situation has got can been seen on the thread started by PHer Greengecko, who's currently mired in a £7,000 claim after someone crashed into his - get this - wing mirror. "How can whiplash occur if [that was] the only impact?" he asks, reasonably enough.

He's taken a nice picture showing the tiny scratch that occurred. Read it and despair for the state of the British insurance industry that allows this happen.

 


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Hellbound

Original Poster:

2,514 posts

193 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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I'm not going to sit here and blame the people who make the claims. As we all know, society is largely made up of dishonest, entitled little sts.

I'm going to blame the system that has allowed this sort of thing to become common place.

It's a profit generating industry where, in most cases, the innocent pay.


That's why I think we should all protect ourselves and our assets and install CCTV in our vehicles.

k-ink

9,070 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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I was insured with Tescos. My parked stationary car was reversed into by a blind old man, funnily enough in a Tescos car park. It was all caught on CCTV. Tescos settled the case in my favour and paid for my losses. However it did not end there. Tescos took it upon themselves to sell my details to dozens of third party claims companies. In the two years since that incident I received around 50 messages from these scum companies asking me to lodge a claim. Even though whiplash would have been impossible! It is 100% Tescos fault for selling on my details. They are as bad as the scummy claim companies and the filth who use them to make false claims.

This situation needs to end now!

Edited by k-ink on Tuesday 29th May 12:33

DaveH23

3,334 posts

187 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Looking at the car in the picture the glass is folded out over suggesting the drivers head hit that bit.

I think he might have a legit claim.

Joke aside the claim culture in this country is getting beyond a joke.

I had an argument with a mate who stepped out infront of a taxi all beit at a very slow speed and his footwas pulled under the wheel as his jeans caught the bumper.

Luckily no damage just a bit of bruising but he is persuing a claim.

YOU walked infront of the car - How is this not your fault.

Twincam16

27,647 posts

275 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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This doesn't surprise me at all.

I was once involved in a rear-ending accident in Liverpool. Another vehicle went into the back of me, ironically right in front of some police officers (the other guy was gawping at an Ariel Atom coming the other way and didn't brake in time).

There was absolutely no damage to my car, I didn't feel a thing and the police officers merely shrugged it all off.

Within a few days, I received a couple of phone calls encouraging me to claim whiplash compensation. I knew something was dodgy when they thought I was in a totally different car. Ever since, I've had phone calls on a semi-regular basis telling me that I could claim £thousands because of 'my accident'. Bear in mind this happened back in 2007.

I should at this point explain that the other vehicle in question was a 50cc Sukida moped. I've been more grievously damaged by bluebottles.

S2000Etype

642 posts

169 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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The local radio station runs adds 24/7 advertising all the dodgy solicitors no win/ no fee guarantees. What else do you expect? They are actively encouraged to cliam.

leicesterboy15

151 posts

216 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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I had an accident in December where someone pulled out on me at a petrol station, the other party have claimed liability and since then I have had at least 1 call a week encouraging me to claim for injuries.

The last one said 'I know you said there were no injuries in your original claim form but I've got £1800 sitting here for you for any minor complaints you may have'

I told him there were no injuries and he said 'I'm not calling about injuries, I'm calling abount minor complaints which can occur some time after the incident'

Makes me sick, I did write a lot more about how I feel about this but I had to delete it.........

fozluvscars

150 posts

161 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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if this continues to happen, insurance premiums go up and more people will be inclined to drive uninsured. if you get hit by one and did suffer whiplash, you'll need to go through the courts and receive 30p a week in comp - and your insurance will go up again too. luv it

leon9191

752 posts

210 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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A guy hit the back of me a few weeks back on the exit slip road of a motorway not very hard at all, no damaged and we were both ok. Guy was amazed I didnt want his insurance details but I didnt even think twice about making a claim, we shook hands and off we went.

I told the story to a guy in the gym (who seemed an ok guy) who said I was stupid for not claiming, I called him a stupid for thinking like that and now we understand each other much better.


Sam1990

398 posts

184 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Docs estimate a quarter are fake?

HA! And the rest!

uncle tez

536 posts

168 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Its got to the point where everybody thinks that everyone else is claiming so why shouldn't I. The whole claims system needs to be looking into and changed somehow.

will_

6,034 posts

220 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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fozluvscars said:
if this continues to happen, insurance premiums go up and more people will be inclined to drive uninsured. if you get hit by one and did suffer whiplash, you'll need to go through the courts and receive 30p a week in comp - and your insurance will go up again too. luv it
No, you'll claim from the MIB (which we all pay for as part of our premiums).

CraigMST

9,080 posts

182 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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S2000Etype said:
The local radio station runs adds 24/7 advertising all the dodgy solicitors no win/ no fee guarantees. What else do you expect? They are actively encouraged to cliam.
It does indeed. Radio City and Juice FM advertise the no win no fee solicitors, I don't listen to the stations anymore partially due to this.
An idea - why don't councils put signs up in the places where whiplash has most commonly occurred such as 'Whiplash Zone - Take care when driving'
What do people think?

alexpa

651 posts

189 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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The 999 services and insurers sell detials on. They are fanning this disgrace.

I witnessed (from my bedroom window) a car hitting a stationary car in my street a few months ago. Since then i've received about 12 calls regarding making a claim for my personal injury! Those selling it on know I wasnit physically involved, they are so greedy for their comm that it doesnt matter. Very annoying. Thankfully I only gave my mobile number.

Kong

1,503 posts

188 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Whats happened to Bradford? They usually top this sort of poll for some reason.. Maybe everyones already made a claim? idea

StottyZr

6,860 posts

180 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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uncle tez said:
Its got to the point where everybody thinks that everyone else is claiming so why shouldn't I. The whole claims system needs to be looking into and changed somehow.
yes I'd say the majority of people are actually for claiming. When my parked car was hit, the guy loading up my car told me to say I was in the car and not in bed. I don't think he was joking yikes

The amount of genuine decent people who are of the opionion, "you may as well claim, I would" after minor bumps is astounding.

dublet

283 posts

228 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Sam1990 said:
Docs estimate a quarter are fake?

HA! And the rest!
A quarter are fake. The rest are fraudulent.

fozluvscars

150 posts

161 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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will_ said:
fozluvscars said:
if this continues to happen, insurance premiums go up and more people will be inclined to drive uninsured. if you get hit by one and did suffer whiplash, you'll need to go through the courts and receive 30p a week in comp - and your insurance will go up again too. luv it
No, you'll claim from the MIB (which we all pay for as part of our premiums).
only up to £5k tho

Greg_D

6,542 posts

263 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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the accident recovery drivers also sell the details to solicitors.

I read somewhere that there was talk of having an arbitrary minimum speed below which whiplash could not clinically occur, and therefore you were not entitled to make a claim, something like 20mph, so that would at least stop all the little 'bumps' from claiming

tim milne

347 posts

250 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Lo and behold the ads at the bottom of this thread...




Raddors

522 posts

165 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Greg_D said:
the accident recovery drivers also sell the details to solicitors.

I read somewhere that there was talk of having an arbitrary minimum speed below which whiplash could not clinically occur, and therefore you were not entitled to make a claim, something like 20mph, so that would at least stop all the little 'bumps' from claiming
I'm sure I heard somewhere that the minimum speed was going to be set at something like 6.75 mph?! Anyone else hear that?