Taking a car to a high mileage-e61 530d a mad idea?
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Search engine is down so sorry if this re-treads old ground. Likely to have to supply my own car for work in near future and will be doing probably 40-50k per year (mostly on A roads/ back roads), need a car with a sizeable boot, reliable/ not impossibly expensive to run and preferably nice to drive (and manual)! General consensus is 3l engine under less strain and has less issues than the 2l, would probably be buying a 4-5yo one at 85-130k and plan to take to 250k+
1) Can it take the miles? Jury seems to be out on that, certainly have seen some at that mileage
2) DPF? Anybody have experience of the pattern parts sold on ebay for £400ish? AS I understand it 2012+ MOT means it fails if deleted (Swirl flaps would be though!).
3) Ground clearance issues. I believe the M sport is pretty low (c4.5") but the other versions are "normal" at approx 5".
Any thoughts gratefully received!
1) Can it take the miles? Jury seems to be out on that, certainly have seen some at that mileage
2) DPF? Anybody have experience of the pattern parts sold on ebay for £400ish? AS I understand it 2012+ MOT means it fails if deleted (Swirl flaps would be though!).
3) Ground clearance issues. I believe the M sport is pretty low (c4.5") but the other versions are "normal" at approx 5".
Any thoughts gratefully received!
They can get a little fussier for certain things (suspension bushes particularly) at higher miles.
The taxi that I use for my airport runs is a 57 reg 2.0TDi Passat Estate on 357,000 miles, the owner assures me that it's had two injectors and a turbo in that time but is still on the original clutch and has given him virtually no trouble. I have to say, the car is wearing the miles very, very well.
The taxi that I use for my airport runs is a 57 reg 2.0TDi Passat Estate on 357,000 miles, the owner assures me that it's had two injectors and a turbo in that time but is still on the original clutch and has given him virtually no trouble. I have to say, the car is wearing the miles very, very well.
Go for the tried and tested E320 Merc engines.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
My E39 is 182k
I saw a 530D with 211k miles on it for sale, only issues apart from being overpriced, being sold by a lying
who told me it had 108k miles, the main issues seemed to be tyre pressure monitors and airbag light was on.
My E39 though so far has been very good, and the bonus is unlike the previous posters suggestion, it isn't a Merc so win win.
I saw a 530D with 211k miles on it for sale, only issues apart from being overpriced, being sold by a lying
who told me it had 108k miles, the main issues seemed to be tyre pressure monitors and airbag light was on.My E39 though so far has been very good, and the bonus is unlike the previous posters suggestion, it isn't a Merc so win win.
pits said:
I saw a 530D with 211k miles on it for sale, only issues apart from being overpriced, being sold by a lying c*nt who told me it had 108k miles
How could you tell it was clocked? Now mot has mileage on it I thought it was a dying practice (if you don't buy if they don't have or are they available online?).Any dpf tricks that won't cause 2012 mot failure?
My 530D was taken to 150k with no bother, but went through engine mounts and suspension bushes like no car I've had before or since. Not cheap when you're doing suspension work every 40k.
Engine/clutch/gearbox were fine, interior wore it well, and I averaged about 37mpg.I've heard stories that turbos are prone to go at high mileages, swirl flaps can be ingested into the engine and make it instant scrap, DPFs die at 120k-ish, but I didn't experience any of this. Also, the auto transmission (mine was the Spanish three-pedal variety) apparently eats itself fairly frequently. Rather obviously, I didn't have this problem.
The DPFs are what they are, but the swirl flaps might give me pause for thought on a high-miler - very expensive if you get a failure.
Engine/clutch/gearbox were fine, interior wore it well, and I averaged about 37mpg.I've heard stories that turbos are prone to go at high mileages, swirl flaps can be ingested into the engine and make it instant scrap, DPFs die at 120k-ish, but I didn't experience any of this. Also, the auto transmission (mine was the Spanish three-pedal variety) apparently eats itself fairly frequently. Rather obviously, I didn't have this problem.
The DPFs are what they are, but the swirl flaps might give me pause for thought on a high-miler - very expensive if you get a failure.
This has def been covered,
Dpf delete isn't a fail at my mot centre
Auto boxes benefit from an oil change which extends life indefinitely
Get the swirl flaps removed
Get a post 2007 if you want the better autobix and interior
Get logic 7 or get a subwoofer installed
Get m sport if you like stiff sports suspension or body kits
Exhaust manifolds can crack
Turbos can die
Make sure it has a new type oil breather (vortex not loo roll)
TPS is done via Measuring wheel speed on these not by special valve or other module
Budget about a grand or so a year for reasonable tyres and standard servicing but be aware that you may need more do suspension and brakes
I'd try searching e60 lci on here we covered it a few weeks back
Dpf delete isn't a fail at my mot centre
Auto boxes benefit from an oil change which extends life indefinitely
Get the swirl flaps removed
Get a post 2007 if you want the better autobix and interior
Get logic 7 or get a subwoofer installed
Get m sport if you like stiff sports suspension or body kits
Exhaust manifolds can crack
Turbos can die
Make sure it has a new type oil breather (vortex not loo roll)
TPS is done via Measuring wheel speed on these not by special valve or other module
Budget about a grand or so a year for reasonable tyres and standard servicing but be aware that you may need more do suspension and brakes
I'd try searching e60 lci on here we covered it a few weeks back
mclwanB said:
VAG products blackballed at moment- have an 09 octavia tri 1.9 which threw a conrod through it's block at 63k, apparently a very common problem with certain engine codes with that engine..
General consensus is that the 1.9TDI was pretty much bullet proof at this stage, but a con rod is BIG failure and not one you generally hear about. Given the year I'm assuming this isn't even one of the higher output versions of the 1.9. Do you know which engine code? mclwanB said:
How could you tell it was clocked? Now mot has mileage on it I thought it was a dying practice (if you don't buy if they don't have or are they available online?).
Any dpf tricks that won't cause 2012 mot failure?
Any dpf tricks that won't cause 2012 mot failure?
- ring ring*
"The car is still here, it is lovely, nothing wrong with it at all"
"and the mileage"
"108k miles"
"did you say 108k miles?"
"yes"
"I will see you tomorrow then"
Get there
It needs 4 tyres, front end has had a bump and been resprayed very very badly, like holy s
t did you rattle can this? It has airbag and restraint faults along with tyre pressure monitor faults and tells you to drive straight to dealer, it needed four tyres, I could potentially knock him down on price the front end I could flat and polish out, and I would get him to fix the other faults...needs an inspection, and oh it has done 211k miles"it is nice car, just it has done the mileage"
"no mate, it is a pile of s
t, it needs everything there doing, and you're lying sack of st, I asked you twice what the mileage was, you said 108k, 108k isn't even close to 211k, not even like you can get them mixed up"I got my own back, I did a HPI check and whilst it was clear when I got back after viewing it, I updated the mileage to represent it's true mileage.
ETA: Servicing is key on high mileage cars, look after them, they will look after you
Edited by pits on Wednesday 30th May 10:18
pits said:
- ring ring*
"The car is still here, it is lovely, nothing wrong with it at all"
"and the mileage"
"108k miles"
"did you say 108k miles?"
"yes"
"I will see you tomorrow then"
Get there
It needs 4 tyres, front end has had a bump and been resprayed very very badly, like holy s
t did you rattle can this? It has airbag and restraint faults along with tyre pressure monitor faults and tells you to drive straight to dealer, it needed four tyres, I could potentially knock him down on price the front end I could flat and polish out, and I would get him to fix the other faults...needs an inspection, and oh it has done 211k miles"it is nice car, just it has done the mileage"
"no mate, it is a pile of s
t, it needs everything there doing, and you're lying sack of st, I asked you twice what the mileage was, you said 108k, 108k isn't even close to 211k, not even like you can get them mixed up"I got my own back, I did a HPI check and whilst it was clear when I got back after viewing it, I updated the mileage to represent it's true mileage.
ETA: Servicing is key on high mileage cars, look after them, they will look after you
Edited by pits on Wednesday 30th May 10:18
sulli said:
pits said:
- ring ring*
"The car is still here, it is lovely, nothing wrong with it at all"
"and the mileage"
"108k miles"
"did you say 108k miles?"
"yes"
"I will see you tomorrow then"
Get there
It needs 4 tyres, front end has had a bump and been resprayed very very badly, like holy s
t did you rattle can this? It has airbag and restraint faults along with tyre pressure monitor faults and tells you to drive straight to dealer, it needed four tyres, I could potentially knock him down on price the front end I could flat and polish out, and I would get him to fix the other faults...needs an inspection, and oh it has done 211k miles"it is nice car, just it has done the mileage"
"no mate, it is a pile of s
t, it needs everything there doing, and you're lying sack of st, I asked you twice what the mileage was, you said 108k, 108k isn't even close to 211k, not even like you can get them mixed up"I got my own back, I did a HPI check and whilst it was clear when I got back after viewing it, I updated the mileage to represent it's true mileage.
ETA: Servicing is key on high mileage cars, look after them, they will look after you
Edited by pits on Wednesday 30th May 10:18
Locke said:
Was it a "brother"?
No I didn't punch him in the face, I would have if the Police weren't there about a break in or something, I just threw the keys back at him and fked off, then he rang me and asked if the car was ok? Errr no, no it isn't you prick.Not sure what you mean? Was he an ethnic minority and of perhaps Asian background, then yes he was.
Interestingly the other car I went see that was being sold by an person of Asian background was also a lying f
king , first he didn't know about the massive crack in the windscreen, then apparently "people see the crack and walk away" not surprised, thank you for wasting my fking time you lying stick, FSH? Yet no service booklet, and a sticker on the dash that basically said to me "this car has been clocked"Not wanting to draw any conclusions, but I rang another garage someone who was a native Bristolian with no ethnic background and everything he said about the car was true, in fact it was better than what he said it was, I know where and from whom I will buy next car from.
(Performance Point Bristol, seriously nice cars there as well as decent and honest)
Sorry for going off topic
From memory code on 1.9 is bxe, bms I think was also affected. Very common problem for those codes- have covered in earlier topic. Latest is that new engine in car has to be the same engine code to allow it to talk to ecu! So glad work vehicle but they will be pissed when it goes again (as from vw forums seems to be likely)....
Will try and look for more info if search working again, tried 530d rather than code so might find something. Any more info gratefully received, don't think I can face a boring car again & no one has said enough to put me off yet!
Will try and look for more info if search working again, tried 530d rather than code so might find something. Any more info gratefully received, don't think I can face a boring car again & no one has said enough to put me off yet!
hman said:
I'd try searching e60 lci on here we covered it a few weeks back
With regards to DPF removal sounds like you can get away with it, at least for now. With regards to mileage
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
Has done ok to get to that mileage, quite a few e60s seem to be at 160-190k on autotrader
To get back to the original question. Do not, for one minute, think that you can run a modern'ish, high'ish, performance TDI engine, too galactic mileage, without it costing you. I have run one of the VAG units, and it was great, but cost alot, and had alot of time out due to diagnostics.
You will reach a point, where you'll have ploughed alot of cash into it, to keep it on the road, and it'll be worth nowt, then it'll fail big time, £3000 injectors, and you'll have to scrap it, after just spending sedrious money on it for alterater/clutch/cams/etc.
If you get to 200k, move it on, the only ones you hear of on here over that, are the lucky ones, for every one of them there are 100 who have suffered at the money pit.
Don't listen to those that follow, with tales of 400k+, most are full of ste, and very fortunate. I know one example of a C5 that, used for airport taxi work, had racked up 550k, and cost £1.5k to keep running every year, perhaps more. I know alot more that struggled to reach 100k without serious outlay.
You have been warned BM's attract seriously high bills.
You will reach a point, where you'll have ploughed alot of cash into it, to keep it on the road, and it'll be worth nowt, then it'll fail big time, £3000 injectors, and you'll have to scrap it, after just spending sedrious money on it for alterater/clutch/cams/etc.
If you get to 200k, move it on, the only ones you hear of on here over that, are the lucky ones, for every one of them there are 100 who have suffered at the money pit.
Don't listen to those that follow, with tales of 400k+, most are full of s
te, and very fortunate. I know one example of a C5 that, used for airport taxi work, had racked up 550k, and cost £1.5k to keep running every year, perhaps more. I know alot more that struggled to reach 100k without serious outlay. You have been warned BM's attract seriously high bills.
icepop said:
Don't listen to those that follow, with tales of 400k+, most are full of ste, and very fortunate. I know one example of a C5 that, used for airport taxi work, had racked up 550k, and cost £1.5k to keep running every year, perhaps more. I know alot more that struggled to reach 100k without serious outlay.
You have been warned BM's attract seriously high bills.
I have to admit, my taxi driver with the high mileage Passat has a very good level of mechanical sympathy, pulls away gently, doesn't thrash it or rev it's nuts off, just a generally relaxed driving manner with no bad gear selection or labouring. That coupled with the fact it spends all day up and down the A1 probably explains a lot.te, and very fortunate. I know one example of a C5 that, used for airport taxi work, had racked up 550k, and cost £1.5k to keep running every year, perhaps more. I know alot more that struggled to reach 100k without serious outlay. You have been warned BM's attract seriously high bills.
Also, yes, a BMW will attract some decent bills every now and then, they're just such a highly strung car, but when they're working they're class
pits said:
Not sure what you mean? Was he an ethnic minority and of perhaps Asian background, then yes he was.
Interestingly the other car I went see that was being sold by an person of Asian background was also a lying fking , first he didn't know about the massive crack in the windscreen, then apparently "people see the crack and walk away" not surprised, thank you for wasting my fking time you lying stick, FSH? Yet no service booklet, and a sticker on the dash that basically said to me "this car has been clocked"
Not wanting to draw any conclusions, but I rang another garage someone who was a native Bristolian with no ethnic background and everything he said about the car was true, in fact it was better than what he said it was
Sorry for going off topic
It seems that you have, after rigours sampling, drawn conclusions though. Interestingly the other car I went see that was being sold by an person of Asian background was also a lying f
king , first he didn't know about the massive crack in the windscreen, then apparently "people see the crack and walk away" not surprised, thank you for wasting my fking time you lying stick, FSH? Yet no service booklet, and a sticker on the dash that basically said to me "this car has been clocked"Not wanting to draw any conclusions, but I rang another garage someone who was a native Bristolian with no ethnic background and everything he said about the car was true, in fact it was better than what he said it was
Sorry for going off topic
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