Who is in the wrong here, really

[vz-r_dave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTC7UNGbKCk&fea...

I do not condone speeding on public roads, especially at the speeds reached in this video. However the fact that undercover copper on the bike allowed those speeds to be reached is a danger in itself.

So what are the general thoughts on this, for me the policeman should get a right slap for allowing these speeds, risking lives just so he can catch someone out. At 80 MPH he should have been pulled not at almost double that.

[Disco You]

How exactly would he stop the car before he did? He had no way of communicating to the driver until the point at which he did.

[Eighteeteewhy]

Does the police bike have blues n twos though?

[swifthobo]

the chav in the r34 doing 147mph I reckon! I have had unmarked cars really tailgate me to see if I give it beans but touch wood have always spotted them and I think the copper probably knew he was going to go faster so stayed behind so when finally gets caught they can get a dhead like that off the road for longer.

[Acehood]

I've seen that video before and aside from the 3 figure speeds the driving wasn't actually that bad from any of them imo as they were fairly cautious around other traffic.

[stroberaver]

vz-r_dave said:

for me the policeman should get a right slap for allowing these speeds, risking lives just so he can catch someone out.

I thought the whole point of video-equipped unmarked police bikes is the collection of evidence.

If he'd been pulled at 80mph, he'd have been given a telling off, or maybe 3 points. Mr GT-R will most likely just do his 130mph sprint again the next day.

If he's clocked and pulled after being tailed at >130mph, he can quite rightly have the book thrown at him for travelling at those speeds amongst traffic.

I also presume an unmarked police bike has little the in the way of emergency lighting equipment - perhaps just a couple of blue xenon flashers hidden in the headlamp reflector? Even a siren strapped to the side of the fairing would be bulky and highly visible. A traffic car with a lightbar and acres of retro-reflective markings might be a good vehicle to give pursuit and stop a car - an unmarked video bike less so.

[Ki3r]

vz-r_dave said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTC7UNGbKCk&fea...

I do not condone speeding on public roads, especially at the speeds reached in this video. However the fact that undercover copper on the bike allowed those speeds to be reached is a danger in itself.

So what are the general thoughts on this, for me the policeman should get a right slap for allowing these speeds, risking lives just so he can catch someone out. At 80 MPH he should have been pulled not at almost double that.

How else would they tell them to pull over? I've been behind cars that haven't seen us for a mile or so at 70mph. I might be wrong, but that noise could be the siren?

Plus you could hear him over the radio asking for more units I believe. Two cars, one bike...not going to be easy to pull them both.

[JQ]

I don't see a problem at all, if you don't fancy a ban don't do 140 on a dual carriageway.

Surely the whole purpose of unmarked cars / bikes is as a deterrent. If all they do is stop people once they get a few mph over the limit it's not much of a deterrent from doing silly speeds.

[vit4]

Am I the only one surprised at how well the Primera did?

[Mojooo]

I watched the video and wodnered why he was not stopping them.

Clearly once I realised he was on a bike and possibly unmarked and possibly no siren then there is not a lot he could do.

Even worse for the driver if he did had blue lights flashing.

[paulrussell]

vz-r_dave said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTC7UNGbKCk&fea...

I do not condone speeding on public roads, especially at the speeds reached in this video. However the fact that undercover copper on the bike allowed those speeds to be reached is a danger in itself.

So what are the general thoughts on this, for me the policeman should get a right slap for allowing these speeds, risking lives just so he can catch someone out. At 80 MPH he should have been pulled not at almost double that.

I don't see a problem. The police rider didn't put other road users in danger, and pulled over the cars as soon as possible. You do know that police riders have been extremley well trained in high speeds don't you?

[FisiP1]

vit4 said:

Am I the only one surprised at how well the Primera did?

No, I was surprised when I saw what that other car was as well. Bit embarrassing for the R34 actually.

As far as whose fault, well the Skyline probably just got carried away with the biker behind obviously following him at speed. I do think there is a fine line there, its not really on to incite a race as a police officer. IMO the bike should have stayed much further back, wasn't like the skyline was going to get away or anything.

[aka_kerrly]

VIt - yes I was quite surprised at the Primera's performance since the most powerful model of that variant has a 138hp diesel.

Is it just me that thinks an unmarked police bike is just too risky if it has no blue lights?

[vz-r_dave]

Unmarked yes but no lights or siren? That in itself is a danger. Are we saying that the copper can do any speed he likes if in pursuit without any warning to the general public of his existence. This I am afraid is the point of it all, the copper had no right to be doing those speeds if the bike was not equipped accordingly. And the GTR "getting away" is a circumstance of the police force not doing their job properly and equipping the bike. Should end that argument.

[keemaklan]

vit4 said:

Am I the only one surprised at how well the Primera did?

+1

I kept saying to myself 'is that a Primera?' until the bike got close enough for me to identify it correctly.


That Skyline looked pretty fookin' quick.

[Ki3r]

vz-r_dave said:

Unmarked yes but no lights or siren? That in itself is a danger. Are we saying that the copper can do any speed he likes if in pursuit without any warning to the general public of his existence. This I am afraid is the point of it all, the copper had no right to be doing those speeds if the bike was not equipped accordingly. And the GTR "getting away" is a circumstance of the police force not doing their job properly and equipping the bike. Should end that argument.

Have a read of this.

Its up to the officer if they use blue lights etc.

I think you'll find that the officer did have the right to do it...hence why they aren't in court and the other driver(s) are . (I guess they went to court anyway...).

[jamesson]

Let me get this straight. Two drivers choose to drive at very fast speeds on a public road and it's the police officer who deserves a slap.

FFS.

[AJS-]

vit4 said:

Am I the only one surprised at how well the Primera did?

Same here, that's a quick granny wagon!

No tailgating, no weaving. Excessive speed yes, but good conditions and sensible driving otherwise, IMO.

[Daniel1]

I think I watched that on the tv, but I can't remember which show it was. If memory serves it's a black hayabusa that normally tails offenders while setting up other marked units to pull the suspect over, so as to protect the bikes identity.

Which, to be honest, is a bit daft as you can tell the police bikes from a fair distance. We get a lot of bikes down here around the may day bank holiday, and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Helmet cam, computer widgets on the "dash" (I don't know what that bit is called as I'm not a biker), riding alone and ironically the biggest give away is the sensible riding.

As for the skyline, daft for doing that on a busy dual carriageway, daft for doing that while a bike is keeping up with you. If you are going to speed theres a time and a place and that wasn't it. Eta I'm not condoning it.

Edited by Daniel1 on Thursday 7th June 07:14

[Gixer]

The judge said it was blind luck nobody was killed, as he handed out 4 and 6 month jail sentences......

Yeah, amazing, everyday people drive those speeds in Germany without dying. Speeding, the only crime where you are punished for what could have or might have happened.

Quite an old video btw.

From memory it was a completely unmarked bike and the other part of the unit would do the pulling over