RE: Fixed penalties could rise to £90, says govt
Friday 15th June 2012
A proposal to increase the price of a fixed penalty ticket for certain motoring offences is being considered by the government.
But at the same time as increasing the cost of the fines, there are also plans to offer more educational courses for offenders, much in the manner of those currently offered to many speeders.
Fixed penalties could rise to £90, says govt
Fines for fixed penalties might increase by 50 per cent as the government launches a consultation
The move is part of a plan to reduce the bureaucratic load for cases of careless driving ('below what is expected of a competent and careful driver' if you're wondering) by creating a new fixed penalty offence for it.
"We will also be consulting on raising the level of many motoring fixed penalty notices, including increasing the penalty levels for many, usually endorsable, road traffic £60 FPN offences to £90," said Transport Minister Mike Penning in a written statement to Parliament.
"We have broadened the scope of the measure and are consulting on other options including, increasing the levels for non-endorsable offences, motor insurance offences, and graduated fixed penalties - all by a similar proportion."
But this is not a done deal yet - you have until 5 September to air your views before the Department for Transport here. So get clicking!
Discussion
The scary thing is not the fines but the possibility of being convincted of 'careless driving' which is also looking at being introduced. A bit like the aggressive and dangorous driving they can already do you for this really has no strict rules, it cones down the what the officer thinks? So basicly it is just something that if they do.t like you they will be able to find something to do u for!
So,
We can't be bothered to put it through the courts as this takes too much time and money. We have a big hole in our budget. So let's d o2 birds with 1 stone and start fining people for stuff that used to be a proper offence. It's ASBOs and tags all over again. Hello Mr serial rapist, we can't be bothered to put you in jail as this costs money so have a bracelet instead then carry on as normal as we won't follow it up.
Hello Mr uninsured driver on dodgy paperwork, here's a fine you'll never pay for your bad driving. On your way now ta ta!
We can't be bothered to put it through the courts as this takes too much time and money. We have a big hole in our budget. So let's d o2 birds with 1 stone and start fining people for stuff that used to be a proper offence. It's ASBOs and tags all over again. Hello Mr serial rapist, we can't be bothered to put you in jail as this costs money so have a bracelet instead then carry on as normal as we won't follow it up.
Hello Mr uninsured driver on dodgy paperwork, here's a fine you'll never pay for your bad driving. On your way now ta ta!
In the Houses of Commons earlier...........
MP1 "Ah bugger, it turns out we haven't got any money"
MP2 "Someone must have some cash"
MP1 "Ahh! those motorists, they have got loads of it!"
MP2 "Sweet, lets have some of their money, and we can probably dress it up with some sort of patheticaly transparent road safety agenda"
;-)
MP1 "Ah bugger, it turns out we haven't got any money"
MP2 "Someone must have some cash"
MP1 "Ahh! those motorists, they have got loads of it!"
MP2 "Sweet, lets have some of their money, and we can probably dress it up with some sort of patheticaly transparent road safety agenda"
;-)
You didn't think you were going to get your 80mph motorway limit for free did you?
That'll be paid for in higher fines, stricter policing of the motorway speed limit, and patronising and teeth-grindingly frustrating 20mph urban zones.
Nothing good will come of the 80mph speed limit. It's just a cheap, populist vote-winning manoeuvre that'll backfire horribly as the government scrambles to keep the road-safety lobby happy.
The current, loosely-policed 70mph limit is fine.
That'll be paid for in higher fines, stricter policing of the motorway speed limit, and patronising and teeth-grindingly frustrating 20mph urban zones.
Nothing good will come of the 80mph speed limit. It's just a cheap, populist vote-winning manoeuvre that'll backfire horribly as the government scrambles to keep the road-safety lobby happy.
The current, loosely-policed 70mph limit is fine.
The cynicism of the beaurocratic establishment !!!
More money in fines, and if one opts for one of the totally useless "Educational Retraining Courses" in order to avoid points, they will cost even more than the revenue raising fine and the loot goes to the so called Safety Partnerships and the cops who are involved with them.
No wonder the general population holds police, politicians and beaurocrat lackeys in such deep scorn and loathing.
More money in fines, and if one opts for one of the totally useless "Educational Retraining Courses" in order to avoid points, they will cost even more than the revenue raising fine and the loot goes to the so called Safety Partnerships and the cops who are involved with them.
No wonder the general population holds police, politicians and beaurocrat lackeys in such deep scorn and loathing.
Max_Torque said:
In the Houses of Commons earlier...........
MP1 "Ah bugger, it turns out we haven't got any money"
MP2 "Someone must have some cash"
MP1 "Ahh! those motorists, they have got loads of it!"
MP2 "Sweet, lets have some of their money, and we can probably dress it up with some sort of patheticaly transparent road safety agenda"
;-)
Exactly MP1 "Ah bugger, it turns out we haven't got any money"
MP2 "Someone must have some cash"
MP1 "Ahh! those motorists, they have got loads of it!"
MP2 "Sweet, lets have some of their money, and we can probably dress it up with some sort of patheticaly transparent road safety agenda"
;-)
They always hit the motorist as we are all caked 
shame they couldn't do something more reasonable like hitting the text-ers behind the wheel with a £1000 fine instead that would soon fill their coffers 
Oh come on guys, FP Notices have been £60 since I was first driving and Petrol cost 55p / L.
£90 is fine, the points are the deterrent and £60 probably does not even cover the costs of administrating it.
80mph speed limit? IMHO I agree that the loosely policed 70mph limit works for me.
£90 is fine, the points are the deterrent and £60 probably does not even cover the costs of administrating it.
80mph speed limit? IMHO I agree that the loosely policed 70mph limit works for me.
mikeg15 said:
The cynicism of the beaurocratic establishment !!!
More money in fines, and if one opts for one of the totally useless "Educational Retraining Courses" in order to avoid points, they will cost even more than the revenue raising fine and the loot goes to the so called Safety Partnerships and the cops who are involved with them.
No wonder the general population holds police, politicians and beaurocrat lackeys in such deep scorn and loathing.
Because they make stuff up to be angry about? I got caught doing 36 in a 30. The course was £63, was usefull and the money paid for the course, non went to the govenment. But why let the truth get in the wat of impotent tabloid anger?More money in fines, and if one opts for one of the totally useless "Educational Retraining Courses" in order to avoid points, they will cost even more than the revenue raising fine and the loot goes to the so called Safety Partnerships and the cops who are involved with them.
No wonder the general population holds police, politicians and beaurocrat lackeys in such deep scorn and loathing.
JonyTVR said:
The scary thing is not the fines but the possibility of being convincted of 'careless driving' which is also looking at being introduced. A bit like the aggressive and dangorous driving they can already do you for this really has no strict rules, it cones down the what the officer thinks? So basicly it is just something that if they do.t like you they will be able to find something to do u for!
+1 this is the real problem.Didn't get me for speeding, I didn't jump a light and I'm taxed and insured so you'd best decide "I was driving carelessly" then you can still fine me.
Of course if we all go to court rather than pay up maybe they'll realise what a mistake it is to allow police to be judge and jury.
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