Domenicali talking up Alonso/Vettel at Ferrari
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18524133
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100512
The shuffling about and talking is getting more frequent now for Alonso/Vettel at Ferrari in 2014. I'm not sure if it would be a dream team or a nightmare, they're both good but they're both used to being the number one driver in the team (officially or unofficially). If they're able to work together and Ferrari make a decent car, they could walk it. On the other hand, they've both shown that team mates can get to their heads with Alonso/Hamilton at Mclaren and Vettel/Webber in 2010. Ferrari have got used to being a definite number one driver team with Schu and Alonso, so maybe the drivers would be fine and Ferrari wouldn't know what to do with them
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100512
The shuffling about and talking is getting more frequent now for Alonso/Vettel at Ferrari in 2014. I'm not sure if it would be a dream team or a nightmare, they're both good but they're both used to being the number one driver in the team (officially or unofficially). If they're able to work together and Ferrari make a decent car, they could walk it. On the other hand, they've both shown that team mates can get to their heads with Alonso/Hamilton at Mclaren and Vettel/Webber in 2010. Ferrari have got used to being a definite number one driver team with Schu and Alonso, so maybe the drivers would be fine and Ferrari wouldn't know what to do with them
.No mention of Webber in either story. But BBC do link to this in the sidebar - http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54368/f1-webber-i...
"It's a good problem to have if there's some other people interested," said Webber.
"Ferrari, I haven't heard from them myself, but people want to speculate."
He said Massa has had a "rough run" so far in 2012, and does not deny that the seat opposite Fernando Alonso at F1's most famous team is an attractive one.
"It's not just another team," said Webber of Ferrari. "Everyone knows that."
But he warned the rumour-mongers to keep calm.
"I spoke to McLaren years ago. Didn't happen," said Webber. "I'm very happy at Red Bull.
"This is part of F1 - there's always going to be rumours and speculation. But, at the end of the day, I think I've driven for two teams in the past seven years. I've been pretty stable."
"It's a good problem to have if there's some other people interested," said Webber.
"Ferrari, I haven't heard from them myself, but people want to speculate."
He said Massa has had a "rough run" so far in 2012, and does not deny that the seat opposite Fernando Alonso at F1's most famous team is an attractive one.
"It's not just another team," said Webber of Ferrari. "Everyone knows that."
But he warned the rumour-mongers to keep calm.
"I spoke to McLaren years ago. Didn't happen," said Webber. "I'm very happy at Red Bull.
"This is part of F1 - there's always going to be rumours and speculation. But, at the end of the day, I think I've driven for two teams in the past seven years. I've been pretty stable."
Italian press link on the BBC Gossip page - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/gossip/
"Ferrari have concluded an agreement for Sebastian Vettel join Fernando Alonso at the team from 2014. They will offer Felipe Massa a performance-related deal to stay on as a stop-gap in 2013 but if that doesn't work out will make an offer for Mark Webber. To really secure Vettel's signing, they need to deliver a title for Alonso so the pairing is less confrontational with a more fulfilled Alonso."
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"Ferrari have concluded an agreement for Sebastian Vettel join Fernando Alonso at the team from 2014. They will offer Felipe Massa a performance-related deal to stay on as a stop-gap in 2013 but if that doesn't work out will make an offer for Mark Webber. To really secure Vettel's signing, they need to deliver a title for Alonso so the pairing is less confrontational with a more fulfilled Alonso."
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ajprice said:
Italian press link on the BBC Gossip page - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/gossip/
"Ferrari have concluded an agreement for Sebastian Vettel join Fernando Alonso at the team from 2014. They will offer Felipe Massa a performance-related deal to stay on as a stop-gap in 2013 but if that doesn't work out will make an offer for Mark Webber. To really secure Vettel's signing, they need to deliver a title for Alonso so the pairing is less confrontational with a more fulfilled Alonso."
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The Italian press have been known to write complete drivel about Ferrari..."Ferrari have concluded an agreement for Sebastian Vettel join Fernando Alonso at the team from 2014. They will offer Felipe Massa a performance-related deal to stay on as a stop-gap in 2013 but if that doesn't work out will make an offer for Mark Webber. To really secure Vettel's signing, they need to deliver a title for Alonso so the pairing is less confrontational with a more fulfilled Alonso."
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The most ludicrous thing about that Italian article is suggesting that Massa has any chance of driving for them next year, at all.
It's unfortunate, but the way it's going for him Ferrari would be better off (both in a marketing, and possibly race way too) of putting a complete new person in there for s
ts and giggles. It's not like he could do any worse. And he MIGHT be a revelation.
It's unfortunate, but the way it's going for him Ferrari would be better off (both in a marketing, and possibly race way too) of putting a complete new person in there for s
ts and giggles. It's not like he could do any worse. And he MIGHT be a revelation.TonyHetherington said:
The most ludicrous thing about that Italian article is suggesting that Massa has any chance of driving for them next year, at all.
It's unfortunate, but the way it's going for him Ferrari would be better off (both in a marketing, and possibly race way too) of putting a complete new person in there for sts and giggles. It's not like he could do any worse. And he MIGHT be a revelation.
They MIGHT be a revelation, they MIGHT be Luca Bodoer or Giancarlo Fisichella all over again. What have Ferrari got in terms of a young driver progression system like Red Bull and other teams have?It's unfortunate, but the way it's going for him Ferrari would be better off (both in a marketing, and possibly race way too) of putting a complete new person in there for s
ts and giggles. It's not like he could do any worse. And he MIGHT be a revelation.Indeed they might - but it's not like they'll do any worse than Massa, is it? If they did, it's less bad publicity because Ferrari "gave them a chance" than just keepint Massa in there.
It's a shame, I do like Massa (I met him randomly in the Ferrari shop at Maranello and he was very happy to greet us and say hi) but I just cannot believe for one moment that Ferrari want another non-existent year for the second seat in their team.
Regarding their young driver program - I too wondered what they have as I was writing my post earlier. Red Bull and McLaren seem very proactive in this regard. I can't believe Ferrari do not have something, whether it be younger series throughout the world, or even just spies
It's a shame, I do like Massa (I met him randomly in the Ferrari shop at Maranello and he was very happy to greet us and say hi) but I just cannot believe for one moment that Ferrari want another non-existent year for the second seat in their team.
Regarding their young driver program - I too wondered what they have as I was writing my post earlier. Red Bull and McLaren seem very proactive in this regard. I can't believe Ferrari do not have something, whether it be younger series throughout the world, or even just spies
TonyHetherington said:
Indeed they might - but it's not like they'll do any worse than Massa, is it? If they did, it's less bad publicity because Ferrari "gave them a chance" than just keepint Massa in there.
It's a shame, I do like Massa (I met him randomly in the Ferrari shop at Maranello and he was very happy to greet us and say hi) but I just cannot believe for one moment that Ferrari want another non-existent year for the second seat in their team.
Regarding their young driver program - I too wondered what they have as I was writing my post earlier. Red Bull and McLaren seem very proactive in this regard. I can't believe Ferrari do not have something, whether it be younger series throughout the world, or even just spies
As things are at the moment, the model of having one all dominating car and driver is not enough to pick up the constructors as well as the drivers title. Ferrari will be feeling the need to ensure they have a second driver able to pick up substantial points in addition to their lead driver winning, something Massa seems unable to do on a common enough basis.It's a shame, I do like Massa (I met him randomly in the Ferrari shop at Maranello and he was very happy to greet us and say hi) but I just cannot believe for one moment that Ferrari want another non-existent year for the second seat in their team.
Regarding their young driver program - I too wondered what they have as I was writing my post earlier. Red Bull and McLaren seem very proactive in this regard. I can't believe Ferrari do not have something, whether it be younger series throughout the world, or even just spies
I'd very much like to see Hamilton or Vettle in a Ferrari alongside Alonso, though the realist in me foresees it turning sour very quickly as the new driver accuses Ferrari of giving the Spaniard better tactics/attention/equipment.
10 Pence Short said:
As things are at the moment, the model of having one all dominating car and driver is not enough to pick up the constructors as well as the drivers title. Ferrari will be feeling the need to ensure they have a second driver able to pick up substantial points in addition to their lead driver winning, something Massa seems unable to do on a common enough basis.
I'd very much like to see Hamilton or Vettle in a Ferrari alongside Alonso, though the realist in me foresees it turning sour very quickly as the new driver accuses Ferrari of giving the Spaniard better tactics/attention/equipment.
They need someone in the car who is fast, but not fast enough to threaten Alonso and mouth off about favouritism. Someone who will take the money and do what they're told.I'd very much like to see Hamilton or Vettle in a Ferrari alongside Alonso, though the realist in me foresees it turning sour very quickly as the new driver accuses Ferrari of giving the Spaniard better tactics/attention/equipment.
They need another Eddie Irvine/Rubens Barrichello basically, but they're not too common nowadays, especially when there's good seats available elsewhere.
The 'lure' of Ferrari is not as strong as potentially doing well in another team and being propelled into Red Bull/Mercedes/McLaren.
Can't see it TBH. Alonso fits in so well at fez it'd be ridiculous to risk upsetting him, although with a clown like montzerella running the show I wouldn't rule out anything... but SV swapping the perfection he has at RB for anything else, never mind the kind of dramatics he may face paired with alonso at fez? it'd be maschstic.
Would be sad to see a racer like webber taking the b!tch-seat at fez, but I guess it depends whats on the table, he's also too respectable to make up the numbers at HRT or wherever.
Would be sad to see a racer like webber taking the b!tch-seat at fez, but I guess it depends whats on the table, he's also too respectable to make up the numbers at HRT or wherever.
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