Bigger wheels
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cindychops

Original Poster:

409 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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If car wheels were made about 3-4" bigger would a car with a standard gearbox and engine go faster/use less petrol,Obviously the car would have to be designed to accommodate the bigger wheels and the handling aspects would have to be considered.
If the outside circumference was bigger than it would travel further than a smaller wheel,May look stupid though.

Krikkit

27,726 posts

201 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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If you could maintain the same engine RPM's, yes, it would be travelling faster.

But you've got the additional power required at lower RPM's (generally not desirable), an increase in unsprung weight from your huge wheels (spoiling the ride and handling), and significantly poorer acceleration.

R1 Indy

4,473 posts

203 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Would bigger wheels not require more power to get moving??


Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

285 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Short answer: depends.

Long answer: what you're doing is increasing the gearing. If you are willing to re-engineer the car to suit your new wheels it'll be easier to just change the gearing instead, and not put up with needlessly huge wheels. Top speed may increase, or may become lower, depending on gearing, same with MPG. Gearing is a massive compromise and not always easy to improve on. Acelleration will be worse.

nickcowen

625 posts

183 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Always thought that bigger wheels would give a higher top speed but smaller one would give better acceleration

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

285 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Krikkit said:
RPM's
Revolutions is already plural, no need to pluralise the entire unit.

cindychops

Original Poster:

409 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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What about using a cvt gearbox or similar,Even 1" in overall diameter would equate to more distance travelled per revolution without too much strain on gearbox.
I may be talking out of my hat though.

nickbee

423 posts

257 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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nickcowen said:
Always thought that bigger wheels would give a higher top speed but smaller one would give better acceleration
In theory, bigger wheels will give you a higher top speed in each gear but there are a couple of issues.

Think about a small engined car, where fifth is just a cruising gear and you only have enough torque to accelerate in fourth. If you put sufficiently big wheels on, fourth gear would become the equivalent of fifth so you'd have to use third to accelerate. At that point you can only accelerate up to the top end of third, so you've actually reduced the top speed of your car.

I know that's an extreme example but it's valid, and even if that didn't present a problem the maximum speed of a car is generally dictated by power so large wheels won't help anyway.

Small wheels might make acceleration faster and probably won't affect your top speed, but it's not all win as they require you to upshift earlier when accelerating, which can counter the effect of faster in-gear times.

Moral of the story: it's never simple!


mccrackenj

2,048 posts

246 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
Krikkit said:
RPM's
Revolutions is already plural, no need to pluralise the entire unit.
And even if they did wish to pluralise it - what on earth would an apostrophe have to do with it??

fozzymandeus

1,076 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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You know what they say about cars with bigger wheels?


























Smaller tyres. boxedin

Rolls

1,502 posts

197 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Only reason to fit bigger wheels is bigger brakes, and the engine to match!

matthias73

2,900 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
Krikkit said:
RPM's
Revolutions is already plural, no need to pluralise the entire unit.
Ah, guten Tag Lieutnant Gramar, wie gehts?

kambites

70,288 posts

241 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Bigger wheels (as in rolling diameter) have much the same effect as increasing the final drive ratio. Most cars would probably get less efficient if you just blindly increased the rolling radius because manufacturers have carefully tuned the final drive ratio for the standard size. Top speed would probably fall for much the same reason - very few cars are limited by the rev limited in top gear.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

285 months

Saturday 23rd June 2012
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matthias73 said:
Captain Muppet said:
Krikkit said:
RPM's
Revolutions is already plural, no need to pluralise the entire unit.
Ah, guten Tag Lieutnant Gramar, wie gehts?
You've spelt all those words wrong, that's some of the worst English I've ever read.

Also it's not a grammar thing, it's retarded use of engineering units.

If anything I'm from the engineering police.

blearyeyedboy

6,692 posts

199 months

Saturday 23rd June 2012
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Captain Muppet said:
If anything I'm from the engineering police.
Just don't try that as a chat up line. wink

OP, it's all about gearing really as others have said.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

285 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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blearyeyedboy said:
Captain Muppet said:
If anything I'm from the engineering police.
Just don't try that as a chat up line. wink
Fortunately I no longer have to worry about chat up lines because I'm so old and fat that women are repulsed way before my obvious personality flaws would be revealed.

Although "I have a house and disposable income" works nearly as well as "does this smell like chloroform to you?".

davepoth

29,395 posts

219 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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cindychops said:
If car wheels were made about 3-4" bigger would a car with a standard gearbox and engine go faster/use less petrol,Obviously the car would have to be designed to accommodate the bigger wheels and the handling aspects would have to be considered.
If the outside circumference was bigger than it would travel further than a smaller wheel,May look stupid though.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

210 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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cindychops said:
If car wheels were made about 3-4" bigger would a car with a standard gearbox and engine go faster/use less petrol,Obviously the car would have to be designed to accommodate the bigger wheels and the handling aspects would have to be considered.
If the outside circumference was bigger than it would travel further than a smaller wheel,May look stupid though.
What do you mean by faster??

Upping the wheel size will reduce rpm's for a given speed. If you are not labouring the engine, then it should offer better mpg, although dependant on pumping loses.

If you have the power (and aero) to run to the same engine rpms as before, then yes you'll be travelling at a high speed. Although likely with slower acceleration.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

235 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Will it not create additional wear on the whole steering/front-end suspension system as well?

Disco You

3,715 posts

200 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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OP, do you lack understanding of gearing? It's fairly simple.