Electric Handbrakes ?
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J4CKO

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45,356 posts

220 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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The Insignia thread reminded me that I know two people who have been stranded by the electronic parking brakes on their cars, one being a Discovery 4 and the other a Passat, the latter a car that seemingly invents new failures on a weekly basis.

So, good idea or bad idea ?

Anyone else not see what is so wrong with a lever and cable ?

Zod

35,295 posts

278 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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We have one on the X5. I prefer a real handbrake, but their purpose is to remove a big lever from the middle of the cabin, making for more flexible design. I can't imagine one in a manual car. Presumably there isn't one.

onesickpuppy

2,648 posts

177 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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My A4 is manual with an electronic handbrake. It's pish for playing in the snow, it would appear to lock all 4 wheels!

Pixelpeep

8,600 posts

162 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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we had one fail in an insignia (salesman swears he put it on...) car rolled back out of the dealership straight into a parked Mondeo.

It's one of those things that needs to be manual - in my opinion anyway.

bunyarra

325 posts

232 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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Works a treat on the XF - never had a problem even in the worst winters .. no idea about hot summers as not had one yet!

surveyor

18,532 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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Had an Insignia and an Espace.

I like them, I really don't see the need for this interface to be mechanical - it's pretty much off/on.

Snow is the only issue. The Espace broke down when we had this so no idea what difference it would have been made. The Insignia could not get down the drive, so again no idea.

davepoth

29,395 posts

219 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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They really annoy me - another bit of control taken away. I can actually do hill starts quite well, so I don't need an electronic system to help me do them badly, thank you. wink

Crow555

1,037 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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I had a couple of Astras, a few Merivas and a pair of Insignias as hire cars, and the majority had those electronic parking brakes. When I'm driving my own car, I tend to put on the handbrake at lights or waiting to turn right at a junction (force of habit from learning to driving years ago). With the vauxhalls I got into the bad habit of leaving it off with my foot on the brake because it was such a faff to turn off again. Don't like them, hope they aren't the deathknell for a good ol' lever handbrake.

Ari

19,737 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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The Passat one is brilliant if it has the auto function. You stop, it comes on, you go, it goes off. Works brilliantly.

SirBlade

544 posts

212 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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Ari said:
The Passat one is brilliant if it has the auto function. You stop, it comes on, you go, it goes off. Works brilliantly.
Is the auto function an additional extra?

The Passat EPB "button" has a reputation for failing, which is £20 go fix.

Edited by SirBlade on Tuesday 26th June 20:41

surveyor

18,532 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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Crow555 said:
I had a couple of Astras, a few Merivas and a pair of Insignias as hire cars, and the majority had those electronic parking brakes. When I'm driving my own car, I tend to put on the handbrake at lights or waiting to turn right at a junction (force of habit from learning to driving years ago). With the vauxhalls I got into the bad habit of leaving it off with my foot on the brake because it was such a faff to turn off again. Don't like them, hope they aren't the deathknell for a good ol' lever handbrake.
In the case of insignia lift clutch and drive. Not really a faff!

VidalBaboon

9,074 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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J4CKO said:
The Insignia thread reminded me that I know two people who have been stranded by the electronic parking brakes on their cars, one being a Discovery 4 and the other a Passat, the latter a car that seemingly invents new failures on a weekly basis.

So, good idea or bad idea ?

Anyone else not see what is so wrong with a lever and cable ?
It's an omen!

My Passat has thrown a wobbler on the handbrake tonight. It too also invents new failures on a regular basis. Worst car I have ever owned. Even worse than the knackared old Mk2 Astra I had to 'Ace Ventura' when it rained because the wipers would stop working intermittently.

It's stranded me on the drive once with handbrake issues but soon relented when I welted the hub with a drift and 2lb hammer in anger and frustration.

Can't wait to get rid of the thing.

th85

177 posts

167 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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In the case of the Espace and other Renaults if there is a problem with it or a flat battery it can be manually taken off by pulling a lever/handle under the boot carpet.

Ari

19,737 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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SirBlade said:
Is the auto function an additional extra?

The Passet EPB "button" has a reputation for failing, which is £20 go fix.
I believe so yes. A friend of mine had a new Passat company car and specced it, think it was under £100 and worked superbly.

Derp

1,347 posts

174 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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th85 said:
In the case of the Espace and other Renaults if there is a problem with it or a flat battery it can be manually taken off by pulling a lever/handle under the boot carpet.
That could be a problem if you're facing downhill... biggrin

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

193 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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I wasn't surprised to learn that the Passat with electric handbrake requires a computer to change the brake pads. You need the computer to wind back and reset the piston otherwise it either won't grip with the new pads or it'll apply too much pressure and wreck the piston motor.

If you don't have a computer with VAGCOM, you can buy a tool for the job. A snip at £160

maniac0796

1,292 posts

186 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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If we ignore the English term handbrake or parking brake, and use the American term emergency brake, does it then sound like a good idea for it to be electronic?

Keep them manual.

Plus they're a tt to work on, which is why I dislike them.

LuS1fer

43,016 posts

265 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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I wouldn't buy a car with one. End of.

elvismiggell

1,637 posts

171 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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Have one in the Astra. No issues yet and neatens the cabin up a bit.

MG CHRIS

9,322 posts

187 months

Tuesday 26th June 2012
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Perd Hapley said:
I wasn't surprised to learn that the Passat with electric handbrake requires a computer to change the brake pads. You need the computer to wind back and reset the piston otherwise it either won't grip with the new pads or it'll apply too much pressure and wreck the piston motor.

If you don't have a computer with VAGCOM, you can buy a tool for the job. A snip at £160
I found that out when i already stripped the back brakes down, had to reassemble plug in auto diagnose to rewind the calliper then strip the brakes back again. I can't see a reason for it we have had a number of jag s-types where the handbrake have jammed on. Just another thing to go wrong a cable if it siezes or snappes is a maximun of 50-60 quid in the most extreme cases when a electric handbrake fails you are talking upwards of 500 quid just no need for it.