What are Lancia Beta Montecarlos like?
What are Lancia Beta Montecarlos like?
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Chris71

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21,548 posts

263 months

Wednesday 4th July 2012
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Sadly I don't have the space or the funds for another toy, so this is strictly just curiosity, but I noticed there's what appears to be a pretty smart Lancia Beta Montecarlo on eBay for £2,850.

How come you can buy a mid-engined Italian sports car for less than the cost of an eight year old Fiesta?

rijmij99

423 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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because they are a mid engined italian sports car! i've seen them go on auction for 1500-5000 depending on condition. always wanted one myself

Chris71

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21,548 posts

263 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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What is it specifically, though? I know they have a reputation for rust, but these days they're unlikely to be bought as all-weather transport, so presumably regular waxoyling and garaging will more or less overcome that?

That said, I would say no to a regular Beta Coupe either (although I presume there's not a lot shared between the two)...

rijmij99

423 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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they're basically the same bar the mid enginedness. best bet is to have a good root around, any honest buyer will happily show you in out and underneath any car

Chris71

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21,548 posts

263 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Sadly I'm not in a position to buy currently, just curious at this stage.

Xtriple129

1,173 posts

178 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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From what I recall, they suffer from over-powered front brakes and tend to lock up prematurely making driving... interesting!

Also, not massively powerful engines and of course RUST. Other than that, my memory is a blank.

Alex

9,978 posts

305 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Lancias from that era rust like you wouldn't believe. Any survivor now will have had major bodywork restoration or repairs at some point.

Fulvisti

322 posts

191 months

Saturday 7th July 2012
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It was only the series ones that had the over servo'd brakes, it was only really a problem with heavy braking in the wet, just when you really need the brakes not to lock up! Have a good look around for rust, they were shockers, not so much the Monte's, more the early Beta saloons and coupes, and mostly due to the salt. I've seen original Betas outside of the UK recently with no rust at all and no repairs from new.

The Montecarlo's are great fun and go really well, especially around nice windy roads. Get a good one and hang on to it.

They were going to be the Fiat X-1/9 replacement until the Fiat group decided they'd get more money for it with a Lancia badge on. My friend has a late series two he's fitted twin carbs to and it really moves.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

264 months

Saturday 7th July 2012
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Chris71 said:
Sadly I don't have the space or the funds for another toy, so this is strictly just curiosity, but I noticed there's what appears to be a pretty smart Lancia Beta Montecarlo on eBay for £2,850.

How come you can buy a mid-engined Italian sports car for less than the cost of an eight year old Fiesta?
You can't - it eventually went for £4221.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221060589676?ssPageName=...

PaulHogan

7,162 posts

299 months

Saturday 7th July 2012
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It's said that in certain tropical areas you can actually see bamboo growing. And in a similar way in countries with salted roads you can actually see Lancias decomposing. They look magnificent in posters but you should never have one in the real world

ClaphamGT3

11,982 posts

264 months

Saturday 7th July 2012
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Alex said:
Lancias from that era rust like you wouldn't believe. Any survivor now will have had major bodywork restoration or repairs at some point.
And, yet again, the bloke in the pub fails.

Only a very small number of Lancias suffered corrosion worse than any car of the mid/late 70s. The offenders were the S1 Beta sedans.

HeatonNorris

1,649 posts

169 months

Saturday 7th July 2012
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Fulvisti said:
They were going to be the Fiat X-1/9 replacement until the Fiat group decided they'd get more money for it with a Lancia badge on.
Not replacement - but a 'big brother' to the X1/9, as I understand it.

Chris71

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21,548 posts

263 months

Sunday 8th July 2012
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Evoluzione said:
Chris71 said:
Sadly I don't have the space or the funds for another toy, so this is strictly just curiosity, but I noticed there's what appears to be a pretty smart Lancia Beta Montecarlo on eBay for £2,850.

How come you can buy a mid-engined Italian sports car for less than the cost of an eight year old Fiesta?
You can't - it eventually went for £4221.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221060589676?ssPageName=...
Still £4,221 isn't a lot of money for something that looks like a '70s supercar that's corroded shrunk in the wash.

Alex

9,978 posts

305 months

Sunday 8th July 2012
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ClaphamGT3 said:
And, yet again, the bloke in the pub fails.

Only a very small number of Lancias suffered corrosion worse than any car of the mid/late 70s. The offenders were the S1 Beta sedans.
I'm not going to rise to it, but I'll just say I know more about Lancias than "the bloke in the pub".

miroku

261 posts

174 months

Sunday 8th July 2012
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I ran one of these in the seventies. Great car, certainly no particular rust on mine. Front brakes were indeed "entertaining" in the wet. Mine was a metallic gold colour. First night I had it some kind soul keyed it for me! Traded a TR7 for it, now that was a disaster motor! Best craftmanship from the Speke factory.

Ribol

11,887 posts

279 months

Monday 9th July 2012
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The Montecarlo rotted like the saloons, but unlike the saloons one day they will be worth money.

The coupes, like the mint one I had, did not rot any different to any other car of that era and were a great cars, not like "proper" Lancias of old but a decent effort. Sadly after the saga with the saloon my coupe was worth nothing overnight, I couldn't give it away frown

What happened to the Beta saloon killed Lancia in the UK, they carried on as normal in Italy though.

X1/9

67 posts

208 months

Monday 9th July 2012
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Lovely cars, they share most of their suspension with the X1/9 but just have a bit more room and some proper power compared to their little FIAT cousins. Like any car of its era, without a helping DIY hand it will have woefull rust proofing as standard and galloping tin worm by the time its three years old. Most of the survivors have either been repaired by now or were properly rust proofed by early owners. Best bit, just like the X1/9 is the sublime balanced handling on skinny higher profile tyres, loads of fun without having to go ridiculously quick.

HeatonNorris

1,649 posts

169 months

Monday 9th July 2012
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Never got the engine they deserved, though - they really should have come with the Beta Volumex engine.

One of my biggest motoring regrets is not buying a Beta Volumex Coupe when I had the chance.