What happened to skill based multiplayer ?
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Multiplayer nowadays is all about levelling up, unlocks and perks.
I've been playing a lot of Warhammer 40k Space Marine online lately and when I first started I didn't have a chance, I had no perks and my gun was weak. People would literally walk through my bullets without making any attempt to dodge or anything and then 1 hit me.
It's not so bad now, I went through a lot of 1-10 games and now I can finish most games near the top of the scoreboard but it all feels a bit false when I kill a level 1 guy who I know had no chance against me with my perks to make my gun stronger.
It's the same with COD, it's all about kill streaks and unlocking aircraft attacks and calling in choppers, I mean cmon! It's supposed to be a FPS. What's FPS about clicking a button and a helicopter rolls into the game and shoots a bunch of people for you.
The only game I now really enjoy playing online is Dark Souls, it's the only game I have which actually seems skill based.
What happened ? It didn't used to be like this. I remember playing Quake / Doom2 / Command & Conquer etc on multiplayer and it wasn't about perks and who had played the most to unlock the good weapons / gear. Everyone, whether it was your first time playing or you had played for hours, had the same chance in the game and had access to the same equipment. The best player won.
Maybe it's just a console thing, does the PC still have decent skill based multiplayer ?
I've been playing a lot of Warhammer 40k Space Marine online lately and when I first started I didn't have a chance, I had no perks and my gun was weak. People would literally walk through my bullets without making any attempt to dodge or anything and then 1 hit me.
It's not so bad now, I went through a lot of 1-10 games and now I can finish most games near the top of the scoreboard but it all feels a bit false when I kill a level 1 guy who I know had no chance against me with my perks to make my gun stronger.
It's the same with COD, it's all about kill streaks and unlocking aircraft attacks and calling in choppers, I mean cmon! It's supposed to be a FPS. What's FPS about clicking a button and a helicopter rolls into the game and shoots a bunch of people for you.
The only game I now really enjoy playing online is Dark Souls, it's the only game I have which actually seems skill based.
What happened ? It didn't used to be like this. I remember playing Quake / Doom2 / Command & Conquer etc on multiplayer and it wasn't about perks and who had played the most to unlock the good weapons / gear. Everyone, whether it was your first time playing or you had played for hours, had the same chance in the game and had access to the same equipment. The best player won.
Maybe it's just a console thing, does the PC still have decent skill based multiplayer ?
Unreal Tournment.
No perks, ok, there are alterations, but they affect everyone. Even cheats to get weapons allow other people to get them, as they spawn a weapon spawn point, weapons are spread around the map, rather than unlocked.
As to the skill point, set up an instagib match, 16 player on Oblivion... (the small two player one)
No perks, ok, there are alterations, but they affect everyone. Even cheats to get weapons allow other people to get them, as they spawn a weapon spawn point, weapons are spread around the map, rather than unlocked.
As to the skill point, set up an instagib match, 16 player on Oblivion... (the small two player one)
Checkmate said:
Counter-Strike Source (or 1.6). Still, in my opinion, of the games I have played, the most player skill oriented game.
And at the time when it was at it's peak, absolutely rammed full of aimbot and wall-hack cheaters. I don't deny this was a good game, but even then, people were trying to defeat the point of actually being good at the game by being able to hack their way through hundreds of servers.C&C was a brilliant series and still play some of the older titles now. In terms of FPS, Battlefield 3 does everything that I want an FPS to do. No ridiculous kill streaks, nothing in the way of obvious perks that make the levelling system biased to seasoned players. Yes ok, the level ups provide better weapons and attachments, but that comes down to how the player chooses to play and the type of class they choose to use.
Team Fortress is great and has the added bonus of being silly as well, which only adds to the enjoyment in my opinion! I spent quite a while playing Eve as well, which takes some serious playing hours just to be able to get anywhere!
CBR JGWRR said:
Unreal Tournment.
No perks, ok, there are alterations, but they affect everyone. Even cheats to get weapons allow other people to get them, as they spawn a weapon spawn point, weapons are spread around the map, rather than unlocked.
As to the skill point, set up an instagib match, 16 player on Oblivion... (the small two player one)
This ,instagib made it the most skill based game.eveyone is equallly equipped ,purely about aim and dodging.No perks, ok, there are alterations, but they affect everyone. Even cheats to get weapons allow other people to get them, as they spawn a weapon spawn point, weapons are spread around the map, rather than unlocked.
As to the skill point, set up an instagib match, 16 player on Oblivion... (the small two player one)
Unacceptable to the modern gamer though,cod and battlefield made levelling up and learning the maps the priority.
Too often you shoot someone first sticking 7-8 bullets into them,only for them to in some bizarre way get a couple of shots off that kill you.the first cod managed to get close with the rifles only mod,
Accessibility though,cod and the like make it easier for someone with no skill to do well.
CBR JGWRR said:
Unreal Tournment.
No perks, ok, there are alterations, but they affect everyone. Even cheats to get weapons allow other people to get them, as they spawn a weapon spawn point, weapons are spread around the map, rather than unlocked.
As to the skill point, set up an instagib match, 16 player on Oblivion... (the small two player one)
ut99No perks, ok, there are alterations, but they affect everyone. Even cheats to get weapons allow other people to get them, as they spawn a weapon spawn point, weapons are spread around the map, rather than unlocked.
As to the skill point, set up an instagib match, 16 player on Oblivion... (the small two player one)
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Shinobi said:
Battlefield 3 is where it's at, none of the crappy killstreaks.
yep and the guns you start with about the best or equal with most of the other guns (ok it can take you 10-30 kills to get a good sight but thats not long). The only really time based advantage is in the Vehicles.Battlefield is ok. You still have to earn new stuff, but there isn't as big of a gap between the early guns and late guns like there is in CoD.
Halo has been, in my opinion, the best online FPS since late 2004 when Halo 2 came out. It is simply brilliant. A lot down to skill and a lot down to team work.
Sadly though, it has a VERY steep learning curve. If you haven't played it before, it takes a long time to understand the physics of the game. There's a lot more than just leveling up to your favourite gun and just pointing and shooting.
Halo has been, in my opinion, the best online FPS since late 2004 when Halo 2 came out. It is simply brilliant. A lot down to skill and a lot down to team work.
Sadly though, it has a VERY steep learning curve. If you haven't played it before, it takes a long time to understand the physics of the game. There's a lot more than just leveling up to your favourite gun and just pointing and shooting.
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