environmental guilt/petrolhead angst
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I'm a little nervous about using the environmental word on here. I'm a petrol head through and through - the most obsessive i've ever met - first word was car, and have had caterhams, elises, e30 m3s, alpinas, e46 m3s as daily drivers. I now have a s4 v8 avant and a land rover defender (plus a couple of old classic BMWs tucked away). However, i'm involved at quite a high level professionally and academically in strategic environmental design on a large scale and and incredibly ashamed of my petrolhead tendencies... I always park around the corner from wherever anyone would see me, even hire crappy small cars occasionally to avoid being seen in mine. I've tried to be sensible - even bought a new 330d m sport touring trying to have the best of both worlds but ended up being even more ashamed of that as it was perceived as just naff and flash - and perceived even more negatively by clients etc than my v understated S4...! I'm a complete pathetic hypocrite - I live in a low energy house, work in an ecological/environmental sector, read the guardian, try to cycle everywhere, but... just am OBSESSED with cars around which I have TERRIBLE guilt!!! Does anyone else on this form have trouble reconciling their love of cars...? Anyone else give two hoots about the environment?
Regardless of what you do, that fuel is going to be burnt and turned into CO2 in the atmosphere eventually. It'll then be turned back into oil over millions of years and then if anyone is still around to burn it, it'll get burnt again. Eventually the dying sun will incinerate the earth, and then there would be a real reason to be upset about global warming, but I doubt anybody will be around to notice.
So in conclusion, buy a V12 Jaguar.
Man Maths - You Know It Makes Sense™
So in conclusion, buy a V12 Jaguar.
Man Maths - You Know It Makes Sense™
I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of your colleagues wouldn't have a clue what an S4 was. Its actually less overtly "sporty" than most of Audi's diesel range.
Its good to have a social conscience and to carefully consider ones actions and the impact they may have on others or the environment, but its not like you're driving a truck to the shops Chris Eubank style! I don't think you need to give yourself such a hard time.
Its good to have a social conscience and to carefully consider ones actions and the impact they may have on others or the environment, but its not like you're driving a truck to the shops Chris Eubank style! I don't think you need to give yourself such a hard time.
Isn't the CO2 that man contributes to our atmosphere only 3% of total CO2 anyway?
So even if we halve our output as a planet, we will still on reduce atmospheric levels by 1.5%.
It's all bulls
t which is used very well to tax the st out of us. The UK might aswell do absolutely nothing, as long as China, not to mention America, do what they like with regards to 'pollution'.
Retards go on about Global Warming and give figures of how the planet has warmed in the past 50 years. They don't bother mentioning the difference in the planet which has occurred in the last 400+ million years.
It's literally a complete excuse for taxation - and to supply do gooding plebs with a non-job or pastime.
So even if we halve our output as a planet, we will still on reduce atmospheric levels by 1.5%.
It's all bulls
t which is used very well to tax the st out of us. The UK might aswell do absolutely nothing, as long as China, not to mention America, do what they like with regards to 'pollution'.Retards go on about Global Warming and give figures of how the planet has warmed in the past 50 years. They don't bother mentioning the difference in the planet which has occurred in the last 400+ million years.
It's literally a complete excuse for taxation - and to supply do gooding plebs with a non-job or pastime.
Edited by TheLordJohn on Thursday 12th July 20:07
If you don't burn the fuel someone else will.
If you drove a 4 litre V8 TVR you would have less of an overall carbon footprint than if you bought a Prius - no-one will be keeping a 15 year old Prius going in 2020.
If you work in the industry, you must know that aviation, industry and natural factors surely have a bigger environmental impact than car use.
Also - don't read the Guardian - its for pansies.
If you drove a 4 litre V8 TVR you would have less of an overall carbon footprint than if you bought a Prius - no-one will be keeping a 15 year old Prius going in 2020.
If you work in the industry, you must know that aviation, industry and natural factors surely have a bigger environmental impact than car use.
Also - don't read the Guardian - its for pansies.
TheLordJohn said:
Isn't the CO2 that man contributes to our atmosphere only 3% of total CO2 anyway?
So even if we halve our output as a planet, we will still on reduce atmospheric levels by 1.5%.
It's all bullst which is used very well to tax the st out of us. The UK might aswell do absolutely nothing, as long as China, not to mention America, do what they like with regards to 'pollution'.
Retards go on about Global Warming and give figures of how the planet has warmed in the past 50 years. They don't bother mentioning the difference in the planet which has occurred in the last 400+ million years.
It's literally a complete excuse fir taxation - and to supply do gooding plebs with a non-job or pastime.
This.So even if we halve our output as a planet, we will still on reduce atmospheric levels by 1.5%.
It's all bulls
t which is used very well to tax the st out of us. The UK might aswell do absolutely nothing, as long as China, not to mention America, do what they like with regards to 'pollution'.Retards go on about Global Warming and give figures of how the planet has warmed in the past 50 years. They don't bother mentioning the difference in the planet which has occurred in the last 400+ million years.
It's literally a complete excuse fir taxation - and to supply do gooding plebs with a non-job or pastime.
And no I don't.
Though I do drive a relatively economical daily
that I mostly drive to acheive the maximum mpg.My smallest engine is a 2.4
(Car engine that is).Fartgalen said:
This.
And no I don't.
Though I do drive a relatively economical daily that I mostly drive to acheive the maximum mpg.
My smallest engine is a 2.4 (Car engine that is).
Nice Viper! And no I don't.
Though I do drive a relatively economical daily
that I mostly drive to acheive the maximum mpg.My smallest engine is a 2.4
(Car engine that is).I hope you don't mind, but I'm just going to pop this here for our guilt afflicted friend...
This is kind of related to something that's been annoying me. I have two bigger-engined cars (9 years and 21 years old) that I absolutely love, they are insured all the time, and taxed (extortionately in Ireland) for the periods of the year that they are taken out on the roads. My daily commute is done via public transport, and my total mileage for the last 12 months for the two of them was less than 3000 miles
However, I still seem to be branded a destroyer of the world by many people I've met. WTF? I have no interest in purchasing a new car or selling my ones anytime soon, so other than using a little bit of fuel (they do like a drink for those 3000miles
) and a few spare parts I'm not sure what I'm doing that's any worse than the vast majority of people in their new cars doing 12,000 miles pa
However, I still seem to be branded a destroyer of the world by many people I've met. WTF? I have no interest in purchasing a new car or selling my ones anytime soon, so other than using a little bit of fuel (they do like a drink for those 3000miles
) and a few spare parts I'm not sure what I'm doing that's any worse than the vast majority of people in their new cars doing 12,000 miles pashunaphil said:
Also - don't read the Guardian - its for pansies.
Hear hear. Refer to my quote for the masses who swallowed labours 'education education education' bullish!t, went to uni, got some pishy, none classic, degree that wasn't worth the paper it was written on then opened the Guardian to find their particular non-job.
AndyBrew said:
Nope couldn't give a toss, all this environmental bks gets on my tits, I now only buy V8's as a protest!
V12 is where it's at! Lol. I've got a lot of love when I see someone in a big car with a big engine. I think "good on you for being willing to go against the grain and put fuel in it!" or I just sigh with utter disappointment when I see it's a diesel. ks gets on my tits, I now only buy V8's as a protest!Edited by TheLordJohn on Thursday 12th July 20:41
cocopop said:
Nice Viper!
I hope you don't mind, but I'm just going to pop this here for our guilt afflicted friend...
Hah hah, no prob coco. I figure if I use a little less day-to-day, then there's more left for the weekend. I hope you don't mind, but I'm just going to pop this here for our guilt afflicted friend...
And it's not really a question of the environment. It's a question of cost for me. My daily is driven to maximise efficiency/cost. Everything else is just for fun.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff