Stealth car
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buckshee

Original Poster:

106 posts

268 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Question to the BiBs.

From what I've read posted to this forum, the laser beam of a laser speed gun should be aimed at a relatively flat section of the front of an approaching vehicle. This being so, there MUST be some cars,(sports cars?) which offer very little vertical "target area'" to aim at, therefore the beam would be deflected off all other parts of the car rather than reflected back to the laser gun. Can we have a list of the makes and models of cars which are extremely difficult to get a reading off?

deltaf

6,806 posts

276 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Black Gt4's with no front plate and a rear flipper?.......lol

Mr E

22,708 posts

282 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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deltaf said:
Black Gt4's with no front plate and a rear flipper?.......lol


Hey, the spoiler on a WRC isn't *that* big......

cptsideways

13,829 posts

275 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Dark coloured Nissan 200sx's S13 with headlights down & no front plates, this one to be precise


Lotus Seven style cars with vinyl plates on the upper nose cone.

If anybody thinks they have something that might be suitable I'll test it.

Mr E

22,708 posts

282 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Hmmmm.

If it's sideways, they can't see the plate......

(For Brake readers - this is a joke).

(I can't get the Four sideways)

timsta

2,779 posts

269 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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Good luck getting anything off the front of a GTR:



Better be quick to get a lock on the back.....

cptsideways

13,829 posts

275 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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timsta said:
Good luck getting anything off the front of a GTR:


I'll let you know fairly shortly

bennyboysvuk

3,494 posts

271 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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Mr E said:
(I can't get the Four sideways)
Try a bit harder going into a bend. The lift off oversteer gets it going nicely at which point you can gun it out on the power. Marvellous entertainment.

Ben

ohopkins

708 posts

263 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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I have been thinking about this :

Cars so far that look like they ought to be resistant:

TVRs
200sx.
Loti
Probe
MR2
Mx5

Headlight covers : I have been thinking about something based on LCD welding masks : these are cheap and could be wired with a signal from laser jammer. Not sure if these would be too blatant......

Mr E

22,708 posts

282 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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bennyboysvuk said:

Mr E said:
(I can't get the Four sideways)

Try a bit harder going into a bend. The lift off oversteer gets it going nicely at which point you can gun it out on the power. Marvellous entertainment.

Ben


Lift-off? LIFT-OFF?

Never.



Seriously, the only time I've got her out of shape she just shuffled power forward and sorted it out again.

I'd like to say it was my innate driving talent that saved the day, but it wasn't.

Richard C

1,685 posts

280 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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[quopte=ohopkins] Headlight covers : I have been thinking about something based on LCD welding masks : these are cheap and could be wired with a signal from laser jammer. Not sure if these would be too blatant......[/quote]

'fraid the welding mask works on UV nor infrared ( much shorter wavelength and higher energy )

blueyes

4,799 posts

275 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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ohopkins said:
I have been thinking about this :

Cars so far that look like they ought to be resistant:

TVRs


Nah, they got my T350 for 41 in a 30. Funny thing though...I was only doing 35. The picture shows the laser had targeted the middle of the bonnet.

Anyway, the vans rear doors and windows were closed and I'm sure you aren't supposed to shoot laser through glass so I'm fighting it.

buckshee

Original Poster:

106 posts

268 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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cptsideways said:


If anybody thinks they have something that might be suitable I'll test it.


cptsideways,

BMW Z3 M Coupe?

Where are you based?

cptsideways

13,829 posts

275 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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buckshee said:


cptsideways said:


If anybody thinks they have something that might be suitable I'll test it.




cptsideways,

BMW Z3 M Coupe?

Where are you based?



North Dorset but I get around a lot

However you have a nice shiny grill up front & I gurantee thats a clock from 600 yards almost instantly.

>> Edited by cptsideways on Tuesday 10th August 23:14

fast westfield

412 posts

294 months

Wednesday 11th August 2004
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Westfield XTR2 and XTR4 as well as the 7 type cars with no windscreen

Is the cage tubing [38mm dia]enough to get a reading from

How close to the drives head are they allowed to point the lazer [damage to drivers eyes etc]

philthy

4,697 posts

263 months

Wednesday 11th August 2004
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cptsideways said:

North Dorset but I get around a lot

However you have a nice shiny grill up front & I gurantee thats a clock from 600 yards almost instantly.



North Dorset...Doh ! I've got no chance with this then


Phil

simonrockman

7,074 posts

278 months

Wednesday 11th August 2004
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I reckon you could build a vey stealthy car. Not just the shape, but the paint (when the F117 was being built they found dead bats in the hangar after the bat sonar failed to spot the tailplane and the poor creatures flew into it), and a particular technology that has been the subject of a now deleted thread on PH.

Radar jammers are illegal but there might be something passive that you could do, I'll try and find an RF engineer who understands such things.

Simon

Pigeon

18,535 posts

269 months

Wednesday 11th August 2004
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How about inventing a new bling accessory? The Bonnet Spinner. A thing like the paddle drum off the back of a Mississippi steamboat, made of shiny chrome and/or corner-cube reflective material, mounted in a hole in the bonnet so that the upper half protrudes into the airflow and makes it spin.

ATG

22,976 posts

295 months

Wednesday 11th August 2004
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I think someone said on another thread that the laser guns don't use a doppler shift ... they measure your distance, wait for a timed interval, then measure your distance again. In effect it is a range finder. Makes spinny things unlikely to work, which is a shame as they'd be blingtastic. On one level this makes them harder to confuse, but it does mean you have a longer window of opportunity to use some kind of countermeasure. E.g. LCD shutter would respond far too slowly to bugger up a doppler shift measurement which would be nigh on instantaneous, but the pause between the range-finding signals might allow an LCD shutter to switch ... or more typically a laser jammer to fire. I don't know how good the laser guns are, but with appropriate notch filters and good detectors you can measure pretty feeble reflections. Stealth isn't easy. Active countermeasures like a jammer are far simpler.

deltaf

6,806 posts

276 months

Wednesday 11th August 2004
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Stealth, summed up in another word.... BLACK.