997 GT3 comfort vs clubsport (values, etc)
Discussion
I know the terminology can be contentious, but for the purposes of this thread the "comfort car" are the ones without the bucket seats and the roll cage. The "clubsport" car are the ones with bucket seats and (usually) a roll cage.
The cars below are good value, but they are "comfort" spec.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
I've heard rumours of comfort spec cars being much harder to sell, and I think there was even a thread about a JZM car that did sell?
If the cars above were clubsports would they be expected to sell for a premium over the prices above?
Ironically, I was looking for a comfort spec car for the town driving and touring I use the car for but I've ended up with a clubsport, which I love (my worries about comfort were unfounded) but I was just wondering if the spec actually makes a difference to price?
Is it simply a case of horses for courses?
The cars below are good value, but they are "comfort" spec.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
I've heard rumours of comfort spec cars being much harder to sell, and I think there was even a thread about a JZM car that did sell?
If the cars above were clubsports would they be expected to sell for a premium over the prices above?
Ironically, I was looking for a comfort spec car for the town driving and touring I use the car for but I've ended up with a clubsport, which I love (my worries about comfort were unfounded) but I was just wondering if the spec actually makes a difference to price?
Is it simply a case of horses for courses?
Buyer for any car
I like comfort spec with buckets, as the bucket seat option seat is much much nicer than the Clubsport, also no need for a cage and the extra weight that comes with one.
much rarer to find a comfort with buckets though but the best spec in my eyes.
I think the price comes down to if the car has buckets or not, not if it's a normal or clubsport.
GT3 is/should be a bucket seated car again in my eyes.
you can see this with 996 GT3 sales , non bucket seated cars don't sell.
I like comfort spec with buckets, as the bucket seat option seat is much much nicer than the Clubsport, also no need for a cage and the extra weight that comes with one.
much rarer to find a comfort with buckets though but the best spec in my eyes.
I think the price comes down to if the car has buckets or not, not if it's a normal or clubsport.
GT3 is/should be a bucket seated car again in my eyes.
you can see this with 996 GT3 sales , non bucket seated cars don't sell.
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 16th July 18:32
I'm with Roro on that one, if it's got full service history, no over rev's, looks very cheap.
I'd be heading down there pretty quick as I don't think it'll be hanging around for long, would cost you high 50's if you were buying from an OPC.
On comfort vs CS, depends on the buyer. You'll hear arguments for both, but make sure you get a get a sat nav and climate control though, very few buyers of cars without those options fitted.
I'd be heading down there pretty quick as I don't think it'll be hanging around for long, would cost you high 50's if you were buying from an OPC.
On comfort vs CS, depends on the buyer. You'll hear arguments for both, but make sure you get a get a sat nav and climate control though, very few buyers of cars without those options fitted.
These cost about 500€/piece:
http://d2racingsport.net/4-12.html
So I would take the cheaper one without bucket seats.
http://d2racingsport.net/4-12.html
So I would take the cheaper one without bucket seats.
So which other dealer is selling the cat? Seems like a weird situation.
"I have noticed a garage not far from us has advertised the car on Pistonheads however I can assure you they have never had it in stock we have paid for it and physically own it it is not on SOR.
We welcome any inspection."
It wouldn't be our friends at HWM would it?
"I have noticed a garage not far from us has advertised the car on Pistonheads however I can assure you they have never had it in stock we have paid for it and physically own it it is not on SOR.
We welcome any inspection."
It wouldn't be our friends at HWM would it?
mohitos said:
Someone should give them a call.AdvocatusD said:
I know the terminology can be contentious, but for the purposes of this thread the "comfort car" are the ones without the bucket seats and the roll cage. The "clubsport" car are the ones with bucket seats and (usually) a roll cage.
The cars below are good value, but they are "comfort" spec.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
I've heard rumours of comfort spec cars being much harder to sell, and I think there was even a thread about a JZM car that did sell?
If the cars above were clubsports would they be expected to sell for a premium over the prices above?
Ironically, I was looking for a comfort spec car for the town driving and touring I use the car for but I've ended up with a clubsport, which I love (my worries about comfort were unfounded) but I was just wondering if the spec actually makes a difference to price?
Is it simply a case of horses for courses?
In my humble opinion - it makes little difference as relatively few cars are used as out and out track slags. Most are used as road toys and will do the odd trackday each year, so there are plenty of people who want both specs. In my research I saw that there is still a slight premium for the Clubsport, but the softening values of the RS versions means that the gap is narrowing. The cars below are good value, but they are "comfort" spec.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4051530.htm
I've heard rumours of comfort spec cars being much harder to sell, and I think there was even a thread about a JZM car that did sell?
If the cars above were clubsports would they be expected to sell for a premium over the prices above?
Ironically, I was looking for a comfort spec car for the town driving and touring I use the car for but I've ended up with a clubsport, which I love (my worries about comfort were unfounded) but I was just wondering if the spec actually makes a difference to price?
Is it simply a case of horses for courses?
Mine is a comfort and I specifically went hunting for one with the sports seats and I was lucky to find one with virtually every option fitted, including the adaptive sports seats. The only ommision seems to be heated seats - which seems odd given the purchaser had spec'd almost everything else (PCCB's, Alcantara / Leather, Adaptive Electric Seats with crests, Leather dash / Leather centre console with contrasting stitching, Xenons, PCM with Phone, 6 CD Changer, Sound package, Auto dimming mirrors with rain sensor for wipers, GT Silver metallic paint etc).
I agree that for actual use it does not seem to make a difference (unless on a track, which my car is not used for).
However, having spoken with a couple of specialists it would appear that a non-bucket seat car will either sell for less, or take a lot longer to go (rule of thumb!).
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4063264.htm
This car is particularly interesting to me. Almost identical to my car, other than I have bucket seats, PCCB and 28,000 on the clock.
I guess when the time comes, my car may fetch a premium over a "comfort" car which means I am happy to have fluked my way into it even though I was looking for a comfort car. Loved the colour!
However, having spoken with a couple of specialists it would appear that a non-bucket seat car will either sell for less, or take a lot longer to go (rule of thumb!).
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4063264.htm
This car is particularly interesting to me. Almost identical to my car, other than I have bucket seats, PCCB and 28,000 on the clock.
I guess when the time comes, my car may fetch a premium over a "comfort" car which means I am happy to have fluked my way into it even though I was looking for a comfort car. Loved the colour!
AdvocatusD said:
I agree that for actual use it does not seem to make a different (unless on a track, which my car is not used for).
However, having spoken with a couple of specialists it would appear that a non-bucket seat car will either sell for less, or take a lot longer to go (rule of thumb!).
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4063264.htm
This car is particularly interesting to me. Almost identical to my car, other than I have bucket seats, PCCB and 28,000 on the clock.
I also think a GT3 should have buckets and the folding buckets are both practical and very comfortable. However, having spoken with a couple of specialists it would appear that a non-bucket seat car will either sell for less, or take a lot longer to go (rule of thumb!).
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4063264.htm
This car is particularly interesting to me. Almost identical to my car, other than I have bucket seats, PCCB and 28,000 on the clock.
AdvocatusD said:
I agree that for actual use it does not seem to make a difference (unless on a track, which my car is not used for).
However, having spoken with a couple of specialists it would appear that a non-bucket seat car will either sell for less, or take a lot longer to go (rule of thumb!).
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4063264.htm
This car is particularly interesting to me. Almost identical to my car, other than I have bucket seats, PCCB and 28,000 on the clock.
I guess when the time comes, my car may fetch a premium over a "comfort" car which means I am happy to have fluked my way into it even though I was looking for a comfort car. Loved the colour!
Pretty colour! However, having spoken with a couple of specialists it would appear that a non-bucket seat car will either sell for less, or take a lot longer to go (rule of thumb!).
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4063264.htm
This car is particularly interesting to me. Almost identical to my car, other than I have bucket seats, PCCB and 28,000 on the clock.
I guess when the time comes, my car may fetch a premium over a "comfort" car which means I am happy to have fluked my way into it even though I was looking for a comfort car. Loved the colour!
My C2S was that colour and the whole thing that set me desperately wanting a 911 was a Cobalt Blue GT3 that I saw back in 2007 .... Could have been yours!Having just bought the car, surely you should be more interested in how best to enjoy it rather than what it might be worth when you come to sell it.
Some cars will always stick around in the classifieds for ever, but there is rarely not a reason for it - over-priced, tatty, poor service history etc etc etc.
When the time comes, just make it cheap enough to generate a few enquiries and if you've looked after it and it's presented well then it'll sell without too many issues.
But for now stop worrying about it and get out and enjoy driving it!
Some cars will always stick around in the classifieds for ever, but there is rarely not a reason for it - over-priced, tatty, poor service history etc etc etc.
When the time comes, just make it cheap enough to generate a few enquiries and if you've looked after it and it's presented well then it'll sell without too many issues.
But for now stop worrying about it and get out and enjoy driving it!
matc said:
Having just bought the car, surely you should be more interested in how best to enjoy it rather than what it might be worth when you come to sell it.
Some cars will always stick around in the classifieds for ever, but there is rarely not a reason for it - over-priced, tatty, poor service history etc etc etc.
When the time comes, just make it cheap enough to generate a few enquiries and if you've looked after it and it's presented well then it'll sell without too many issues.
But for now stop worrying about it and get out and enjoy driving it!
Hi matc, not sure where you got that from? I was simply querying the difference between comfort and clubsport, and as to if there was really a diference in price. Some cars will always stick around in the classifieds for ever, but there is rarely not a reason for it - over-priced, tatty, poor service history etc etc etc.
When the time comes, just make it cheap enough to generate a few enquiries and if you've looked after it and it's presented well then it'll sell without too many issues.
But for now stop worrying about it and get out and enjoy driving it!
Off to the Cotswolds 5 August with a Ferrari F430 for some gastro-pubbing and driving!
AdvocatusD said:
Hi matc, not sure where you got that from? I was simply querying the difference between comfort and clubsport, and as to if there was really a diference in price.
Off to the Cotswolds 5 August with a Ferrari F430 for some gastro-pubbing and driving!
Sorry I didn't mean too much by it; but looking through the classifieds after you've just bought a car will always take the edge off the excitement you get from having a new car, as you start to worry too much about its value, and lose some of the emotion that made you buy it in the first place - well it does for me anyway.Off to the Cotswolds 5 August with a Ferrari F430 for some gastro-pubbing and driving!
Enjoy your drive around the cotswolds and be happy with the fact you've probably got the more desirable variant.
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