Honda Accord 2.2d
Discussion
So, I have a baby on the way and the Puma has to go. I've wanted a change for a while as I do around 15k a year but needing the extra space is the perfect excuse. Diesel is preferable both due to the better consumption and the way a diesel drives suits my daily drive which is mainly motorway.
So I've been looking at my options around the £5-6k mark. I want something with less than 60k miles as I plan to keep this one for some time and a fair few miles so a lower starting point would be better. I want a few toys such as cruise control and climate and of course, with a little reject due in the new year, space is required.
I would like something thats going to be relatively reliable hence looking at the Accord. I know all modern cars have their foibles but the 2.2 ctdi Honda seems strong with the other bullet proof option being some VAG 1.9 tdi but I prefer how the 2.2 drives having driven plenty of Civics with that engine.
Anyway, what I would like to know is what the Accord is like to live with, besides the engine do they tend to have many other faults? Anyone here owned one? I would like to hear what you think to them and is it a car you would recomend?
Cheers
So I've been looking at my options around the £5-6k mark. I want something with less than 60k miles as I plan to keep this one for some time and a fair few miles so a lower starting point would be better. I want a few toys such as cruise control and climate and of course, with a little reject due in the new year, space is required.
I would like something thats going to be relatively reliable hence looking at the Accord. I know all modern cars have their foibles but the 2.2 ctdi Honda seems strong with the other bullet proof option being some VAG 1.9 tdi but I prefer how the 2.2 drives having driven plenty of Civics with that engine.
Anyway, what I would like to know is what the Accord is like to live with, besides the engine do they tend to have many other faults? Anyone here owned one? I would like to hear what you think to them and is it a car you would recomend?
Cheers
Like most modern dervs they have the usual potential pitfalls. I believe cracked manifold and timing chain replacement are potential costs, and the biggy which is the VSA module, which controls the anti-lock braking etc. £2000 if it goes wrong....and a lot of 'em do. Other than that a fabulously smooth drive for a diesel. Damn nice cars in other aspects too. They are well built with a superb spec for the money.
I ran a 2004 2.4 Exec Accord for 4 years. It was the petrol but the only thing that ever went wrong was the bulb in the heated seat button went. I know Honda's are known for being reliable but even I was impressed.
As a car, the handling isn't ground breaking but better than a lot of cars in the class. It was comfortable and mine was well specced (leather, heated seats, sat nav, etc.) I really loved mine. I changed it when I got bored but I'd recomend one in an instant. Great cars.
As a car, the handling isn't ground breaking but better than a lot of cars in the class. It was comfortable and mine was well specced (leather, heated seats, sat nav, etc.) I really loved mine. I changed it when I got bored but I'd recomend one in an instant. Great cars.
I've had my accord tourer (2.4 Type S) for over four years which is a miracle for me as I'm easily bored. Only fault I've had was the common seized rear calipers, which cost a couple of hundred to fix at Honda dealer. Otherwise its been an excellent car and worth far more to me than the 3k or so I'd get if i sold it now.
Had my Accord Tourer (2008 2.2D) for the last 4 years and covered 67k. The only problem I've had is the rear caliper sticking which is quite common. It's happened twice now, first time Honda replaced the caliper the second time I gave it a good clean, but I believe you can replace part of the brake line to fix permanently. They do like to drink oil sometimes but I believe many modern turbo diesels do. Honda supposidly have increased the warranty length should you experience the cracked manifold (I haven't yet).
The diesel is smooth for a 4 pot and they are decently equipped. I have the GT Sport trim (ironic for a 140bbhp diesel) but would buy the Executive as it comes with full heated leather, sunroof etc. Mine has half leather/alcantara unheated and no sunroof but carbon detailing on some interior bits.
We have two children and the space is great. The boot is huge - think 5 series, A6 boot space as opposed to A4 and the electric function which appears a gimic is useful when you have your hands full.
The diesel is smooth for a 4 pot and they are decently equipped. I have the GT Sport trim (ironic for a 140bbhp diesel) but would buy the Executive as it comes with full heated leather, sunroof etc. Mine has half leather/alcantara unheated and no sunroof but carbon detailing on some interior bits.
We have two children and the space is great. The boot is huge - think 5 series, A6 boot space as opposed to A4 and the electric function which appears a gimic is useful when you have your hands full.
I know of two people who have run a 2.2d Honda for the long term and have driven them.
It drives nicely and is refined for a diesel, but both have had reliability issues and both owners have mentioned that the mpg is not what they expected (nearer 40mpg on the motorway vs the the 50mpg ish they were hoping for).
In comparison our 2004 Passat estate 1.9tdi is less refined and a bit more old school pause-go power delivery. But on the motorway (which is where it lives) it performs fine, will return late 40's easy and 55mpg on a long NSL run. It's also been 100% reliable with just routine servicing and is about to approach 150k miles.
I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
It drives nicely and is refined for a diesel, but both have had reliability issues and both owners have mentioned that the mpg is not what they expected (nearer 40mpg on the motorway vs the the 50mpg ish they were hoping for).
In comparison our 2004 Passat estate 1.9tdi is less refined and a bit more old school pause-go power delivery. But on the motorway (which is where it lives) it performs fine, will return late 40's easy and 55mpg on a long NSL run. It's also been 100% reliable with just routine servicing and is about to approach 150k miles.
I guess you pays your money and takes your choice.
Had a Sport Diesel for 3 years/80k - turbo went whilst under warranty, and nothing else. The dealer admitted that the turbo is a known problem. Very smooth and quiet engine, but agree with others that the mpg is not what they claim.
The VAG 1.9 is almost bullet-proof and will give better mpg, but is noisy after about 40k. If you can live with the image, I'd go for a high-spec Skoda. Really well screwed together, and the dealers are supposed to be helpful( they're keen to be the best in the VAG group).
The VAG 1.9 is almost bullet-proof and will give better mpg, but is noisy after about 40k. If you can live with the image, I'd go for a high-spec Skoda. Really well screwed together, and the dealers are supposed to be helpful( they're keen to be the best in the VAG group).
Get a post facelift one (2005ish) and they're pretty reliable.
I've got a pre-facelift 2004 CDTI (not a mistake I'll make again) Ex (plus sat woo hoo) estate I’ve had the crack manifold problem which was a £200 fix thanks to a bit of luck and a repro part.
Misty headlamps, but it doesn't effect performance or cause MOT woes so I live with it.
It's had a new DMF / Clutch so should keep chugging on for another 3-4 years for me. Boring as hell to drive though.
Mine's got every toy you'd ever need and super comfortable. Got in it the other week at 5am, picked up some friends, loaded the boot to the rafters, stuck 3 mountain bikes on the back and drove straight to the Alps, 1 stop for the tunnel, another to refuel. Stepped out at 7pm feeling fine.
People moan about the MPG, I can't see why, I'm not a slow driver (or a partially quick one ether) I do 40 motorway miles a day at around 80 - 85 leptons and above half that on slower road, including hauling bikes and get 550 to 600 miles from a tank, 55 litre tank means 45 - 49 MPG. It doesn't like to be rushed though, if you're doing the whole Friday afternoon race from London thing, constantly braking and accelerating from 65 - 85 in lane 3 in a huge queue its crap.
I've got a pre-facelift 2004 CDTI (not a mistake I'll make again) Ex (plus sat woo hoo) estate I’ve had the crack manifold problem which was a £200 fix thanks to a bit of luck and a repro part.
Misty headlamps, but it doesn't effect performance or cause MOT woes so I live with it.
It's had a new DMF / Clutch so should keep chugging on for another 3-4 years for me. Boring as hell to drive though.
Mine's got every toy you'd ever need and super comfortable. Got in it the other week at 5am, picked up some friends, loaded the boot to the rafters, stuck 3 mountain bikes on the back and drove straight to the Alps, 1 stop for the tunnel, another to refuel. Stepped out at 7pm feeling fine.
People moan about the MPG, I can't see why, I'm not a slow driver (or a partially quick one ether) I do 40 motorway miles a day at around 80 - 85 leptons and above half that on slower road, including hauling bikes and get 550 to 600 miles from a tank, 55 litre tank means 45 - 49 MPG. It doesn't like to be rushed though, if you're doing the whole Friday afternoon race from London thing, constantly braking and accelerating from 65 - 85 in lane 3 in a huge queue its crap.
My brother is on his second, first one he got a great deal on from a car supermarket as it was on an replacement engine due to the original seizing due to lack of oil.
He had it for a couple of years before the replacement engine seized due to lack of oil. i would say it's partially his own fault as he didn't really check it enough but then it did burn through the oil.
Now on his second Accord Diesel and whilst there have been no oil issues (I remind him every time I see him!) he did have a very frustrating intermittent starting problem which took weeks of garage work to identify. I can't remember what the exact problem was but when I next see him i'l find out.
He uses his car a tool for the job and other than the above issues, they were both fantastic. Very solid, on a recent run to the north west coast from London it did circa 50 MPG.
He had it for a couple of years before the replacement engine seized due to lack of oil. i would say it's partially his own fault as he didn't really check it enough but then it did burn through the oil.
Now on his second Accord Diesel and whilst there have been no oil issues (I remind him every time I see him!) he did have a very frustrating intermittent starting problem which took weeks of garage work to identify. I can't remember what the exact problem was but when I next see him i'l find out.
He uses his car a tool for the job and other than the above issues, they were both fantastic. Very solid, on a recent run to the north west coast from London it did circa 50 MPG.
Some interesting reports. Its nice to hear real peoples thoughts on a car, reviews are ok but dont often tell you what a car is like to live with.
Would anyone here recommend having something with the VAG 1.9tdi rather than the Honda? If you were to recommend something else, what would you recommend? I'm no badge snob I just want a reliable (with in reason, no cars perfect) diesel with some creature comforts in a large, saloon or estate, package. I dont need satnav or leather or even bluetooth. Cruise, climate and cup holders please and I wouldn't mind a sunroof.
So yeah, if you have an alternative, let me know.
Budget is around 5-6k would like less than 60k miles.
Sorry its turning into a what car.
Would anyone here recommend having something with the VAG 1.9tdi rather than the Honda? If you were to recommend something else, what would you recommend? I'm no badge snob I just want a reliable (with in reason, no cars perfect) diesel with some creature comforts in a large, saloon or estate, package. I dont need satnav or leather or even bluetooth. Cruise, climate and cup holders please and I wouldn't mind a sunroof.
So yeah, if you have an alternative, let me know.
Budget is around 5-6k would like less than 60k miles.
Sorry its turning into a what car.
the accords are nicely equipped and very spacious. hard to see beyond these, or the mondeos given your current puma ownership. anyway, here's my effort for you, ready for a laugh, but...
my ubiquitous laguna recommendation = this one is a 2.0dCi 175GT - complete with large sunroof, keyless entry, wipeclean leather, integrated rear sunblinds, isofix, cruise, nav / bluetooth 9it is useful to have if you spend a time in a car).
however - they are reletively dull to look at, very wallowy to drive. electronic marmite handbrake which cost £500 to replace. they are not very spacious in the boot, given the external dimensions of this long-ish car. strangely no cupholders either, which i find amazing for a mid 2000s car(!). this particular example also has a starting point of 88k miles, though note mine has gone upto 215k so far though ('mapped too...).
as we all say on here, i clearly have a friday car wheer they forgot to put the faults in over the channel. here's hoping this a similar car. there's a lot within that must-be-post-05-facelift package for £4k.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-56-RENAULT-LAGUNA-2...
my ubiquitous laguna recommendation = this one is a 2.0dCi 175GT - complete with large sunroof, keyless entry, wipeclean leather, integrated rear sunblinds, isofix, cruise, nav / bluetooth 9it is useful to have if you spend a time in a car).
however - they are reletively dull to look at, very wallowy to drive. electronic marmite handbrake which cost £500 to replace. they are not very spacious in the boot, given the external dimensions of this long-ish car. strangely no cupholders either, which i find amazing for a mid 2000s car(!). this particular example also has a starting point of 88k miles, though note mine has gone upto 215k so far though ('mapped too...).
as we all say on here, i clearly have a friday car wheer they forgot to put the faults in over the channel. here's hoping this a similar car. there's a lot within that must-be-post-05-facelift package for £4k.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-56-RENAULT-LAGUNA-2...
I must admit that I do like the look of the laguna tourers. You do seem to get a lot of car for the money with a laguna and they are very comfortable. Its renaults reputation for poor electrics that puts me off, that and it does not seem to take long before they start to fall apart, rattly interiors etc.
I have a 2007 2.4i. It's been great so far, aside from the alternator dying (kind of a one-off fault). As others have said, not the most exciting thing to drive but it's better than an equivalent Mondeo, and the engine is lovely. It is a really good family car, and the boot is massive.
I have been looking at estate versions of these EX at about 8k 2.2dervs with up to circa 60k miles.
My concerns are the clutch and flywheels, cracks manifolds and the overall history wrt to oil changes.
I have seen multiple cars advertised with FHSH, to only find out that they missed the 12.5k, 37.5k services. Dealers expect you to buy a car that hasn't has non long life oil changed for 25 thousand miles!
Apart from that they appear solid cars with huge capacities in tourer version. Well specked to boot.
My concerns are the clutch and flywheels, cracks manifolds and the overall history wrt to oil changes.
I have seen multiple cars advertised with FHSH, to only find out that they missed the 12.5k, 37.5k services. Dealers expect you to buy a car that hasn't has non long life oil changed for 25 thousand miles!
Apart from that they appear solid cars with huge capacities in tourer version. Well specked to boot.
thinfourth2 said:
Unless you are doing an epic milage then buy a petrol accord
Be a sad git and sit down and work out the difference in cost to fuel a petrol and a diesel and you might discover it is less then you think
The 2.0l petrol accord, assuming an average of 35mpg would cost me £2500 a year in fuel at current pump prices and my current annual mileage of 15k.Be a sad git and sit down and work out the difference in cost to fuel a petrol and a diesel and you might discover it is less then you think
The 2.4l petrol would cost me £2900 a year in fuel assuming an average of 30mpg.
The 2.2l diesel would cost me £1800 in fuel at an average of 50mpg.
Thats calculated on manufacturer stated averages which I know they tend to be over optimistic but most of my driving is motorway so I would probably average those figures.
I would love a 2.4 petrol accord and I know I would save a grand on initial purchase for a petrol but would it equal out over say 5 years with money spent on maintenance?
GenePoolReject13 said:
The 2.0l petrol accord, assuming an average of 35mpg would cost me £2500 a year in fuel at current pump prices and my current annual mileage of 15k.
The 2.4l petrol would cost me £2900 a year in fuel assuming an average of 30mpg.
The 2.2l diesel would cost me £1800 in fuel at an average of 50mpg.
Thats calculated on manufacturer stated averages which I know they tend to be over optimistic but most of my driving is motorway so I would probably average those figures.
I would love a 2.4 petrol accord and I know I would save a grand on initial purchase for a petrol but would it equal out over say 5 years with money spent on maintenance?
Just to add, you'll never get 30mpg in the 2.4 petrol unless you do mostly longer runs and motorways (which is fine for your situation.) I was averaging 24mpg although that was mainly short runs and urban driving. The 2.4l petrol would cost me £2900 a year in fuel assuming an average of 30mpg.
The 2.2l diesel would cost me £1800 in fuel at an average of 50mpg.
Thats calculated on manufacturer stated averages which I know they tend to be over optimistic but most of my driving is motorway so I would probably average those figures.
I would love a 2.4 petrol accord and I know I would save a grand on initial purchase for a petrol but would it equal out over say 5 years with money spent on maintenance?
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