Very early 911's - try one !
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Well I really enjoyed that.
Went for a hour long spin this afternoon in a 1971 911 2.2.
I absolutely loved it !
It feels so small and light compared to the 964 and 993. And a 996 feels like a landcruiser in comparison !
A proper rorty engine noise, lovely wriggling steering, and enough low down grunt to make things interesting.
So cool too. Drew lots of favourable attention.
Anyone here with experience of these 30 year old beauties?
If not, I strongly suggest you try one.
If you live in an area congested with either traffic or speed cameras, and want some raw Porsche experience without the license being at risk, I highly recommed an old girl.
She may be older, but she is fast and fun, and deeply seriously cool.
Went for a hour long spin this afternoon in a 1971 911 2.2.
I absolutely loved it !
It feels so small and light compared to the 964 and 993. And a 996 feels like a landcruiser in comparison !
A proper rorty engine noise, lovely wriggling steering, and enough low down grunt to make things interesting.
So cool too. Drew lots of favourable attention.
Anyone here with experience of these 30 year old beauties?
If not, I strongly suggest you try one.
If you live in an area congested with either traffic or speed cameras, and want some raw Porsche experience without the license being at risk, I highly recommed an old girl.
She may be older, but she is fast and fun, and deeply seriously cool.
I LOVE the old pre-impact bumper 911s!
I've driven a very authentic 911 RS lightweight replica and a 911 S 2.4.
I LOVED the peaky engine and the noise and even 911 S uneven idle!
I seriously considered trying to track down an original 911 RS rather then my 993 TT, but I don't think I could have used it as regularly as I do the 993 TT and I would be worried about rust more.
The older engines are far more raw, popping and banging on the over run and singing when you rev them!
I've driven a very authentic 911 RS lightweight replica and a 911 S 2.4.
I LOVED the peaky engine and the noise and even 911 S uneven idle!
I seriously considered trying to track down an original 911 RS rather then my 993 TT, but I don't think I could have used it as regularly as I do the 993 TT and I would be worried about rust more.
The older engines are far more raw, popping and banging on the over run and singing when you rev them!
Precisely !
I was genuinely surprised at how enjoyable to drive an old 911 is. Expected a 30 yr old car to be slow and agricultural and to have poor brakes.
The '71 model I drove was not like that. It went and stopped just fine. It seemed to live and breathe, and had more character than any other Porsche I have ever driven.
The experience made me dig up LeMans on DVD with Paul Newman, just to see the opening scenes with him cruising around in that early 911.
Sheer class. An early 911 and a Huer watch to go with it.
And as I have been thinking of getting another Porsche, I am now deeply confused about what to go for. Its a nice problem to have though.
I was genuinely surprised at how enjoyable to drive an old 911 is. Expected a 30 yr old car to be slow and agricultural and to have poor brakes.
The '71 model I drove was not like that. It went and stopped just fine. It seemed to live and breathe, and had more character than any other Porsche I have ever driven.
The experience made me dig up LeMans on DVD with Paul Newman, just to see the opening scenes with him cruising around in that early 911.
Sheer class. An early 911 and a Huer watch to go with it.
And as I have been thinking of getting another Porsche, I am now deeply confused about what to go for. Its a nice problem to have though.
Completely agree and am just about to start my search for either a 2.2 or 2.4S.
Many old cars are in fact fantastic to drive - they tend to weigh an awful lot less and you`re actually connected to the car by straightforward and linear mechanical devices. Many of them also show up the folly of massive wheel/tyre combinations...
Many old cars are in fact fantastic to drive - they tend to weigh an awful lot less and you`re actually connected to the car by straightforward and linear mechanical devices. Many of them also show up the folly of massive wheel/tyre combinations...
ettore said:
Completely agree and am just about to start my search for either a 2.2 or 2.4S.
Many old cars are in fact fantastic to drive - they tend to weigh an awful lot less and you`re actually connected to the car by straightforward and linear mechanical devices. Many of them also show up the folly of massive wheel/tyre combinations...
Yep. You are right about the weight thing. The lucky owner of the one I drove reckoned the car weighs the equivalent of a fat person less than a 993.
And a 911E or T is 2 fat people lighter than a 996 tip I 'd think...
And skinnier wheels with tyres with rounder profiles. A nice ride, and really progressive handling.
Somehow, we seem to have lost our way with the newer stuff. Only after driving them have I realised this.
if you compared say a 996C4 vs a 72E you are around 400kg up.davemiddleton said:
I originally owned a 1970 911E 2.2 which followed the sale of my 3rd Lotus Elan Sprint.
They were both wonderful cars to drive in their day and as I now drive a 993TT I often think it would be nice to have a 1971 Sprint again .
sold my superb Elan Sprint to a guy in Belgium last year and it one of the few cars I have owned which I regret selling, skinny tyres only 126 BHP but an absolute peach of a drive once you have learned how to drive it well.
I restored a 2.4E F Series in 1989 - I've waxed lyrical on here about pre-impact 911s before, but suffice it to say that the F Series 2.4E & S are the best to buy (unless your budget stretches to a 2.7RS).
2.2s are great - but the optional 5 speed dogleg 'box takes a bit of getting used to and they don't have the torque that the 2.4s do. The T versions had lower spec/powered engines and most were carburetted too (US import Ts can come with injection).
I personally don't like the 2.0 litres nor the 912s - the former just doesn't have the power to excite, the latter are for Hoxton dwellers, trading up from their Karmann Ghias.
2.2s are great - but the optional 5 speed dogleg 'box takes a bit of getting used to and they don't have the torque that the 2.4s do. The T versions had lower spec/powered engines and most were carburetted too (US import Ts can come with injection).
I personally don't like the 2.0 litres nor the 912s - the former just doesn't have the power to excite, the latter are for Hoxton dwellers, trading up from their Karmann Ghias.
rubystone said:
Dogsharks - different engine totally - the nasty 2.7 -to be avoided at all costs...
Which 2.7?
The mechanically injected, Magnesium crank cased 210 Bhp 2.7 "revver" out of the RS or the later 2.7 K jetronic injected engine?
I always thought the 2.7 RS engine was an over bored "S" engine, with even the same cam timing...
Marquis_Rex said:
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Which 2.7?
The mechanically injected, Magnesium crank cased 210 Bhp 2.7 "revver" out of the RS or the later 2.7 K jetronic injected engine?
I always thought the 2.7 RS engine was an over bored "S" engine, with even the same cam timing...
You're right about the 2.7RS engine, although I'm not sure about the cam timing bit. The KJet is the one I was talking about. I guess it is horses for courses though - if you just want a chrome trimmed impact bumper 911 to tool around in, then a clean 2.7 is going to be just fine, but they are not quick - better off finding a Carrera3 if you want that chrome look with some power, although those engines were a halfway house to the SC spec engine and have some fragility issues too.
But first rule is to buy on condition of course!
Most of the 2.7s that are still running will have had the problems sorted or they would not be still running.
With regard to the pre 73s with mech fuel injection if the are backfiring on overrun, then the fuel shut off solonoid is not working. There is a micro switch and a speed switch which op in conjuction to op shut off sol.
They should gurgle and whine not backfire. Be prepared to do your own maint if you get one, all the mechanics have now retired!
With regard to the pre 73s with mech fuel injection if the are backfiring on overrun, then the fuel shut off solonoid is not working. There is a micro switch and a speed switch which op in conjuction to op shut off sol.
They should gurgle and whine not backfire. Be prepared to do your own maint if you get one, all the mechanics have now retired!
Circa 1968 had a (`66) Lotus Elan S2 coupe,coming straight from a Singer Chamois which was slightly modified (Reece Fish carburettor , remember those anyone ?) 4.5 inch wheels , shortened , stiffened road springs , high lift cam, straight through exhaust etc, .....must have had at least 60 bhp............!! digressed , sorry, . The Elan taught you loads about car control and left E-Types standing down through the A23 and A22 in Surrey. .
Later (1972) owned an LHD orange 2.2 (`69) 911 E , pressed , it would wave its front wheels around whilst cornering. Dog legged first took an aquired disciplined change when hurrying but once you were in the "H" pattern for the remaining gears progress was very swift.Mine even had a heated rear screen , first car I ever owned to have one ..........superb.
Drove it to Margate from Balham ( 90 miles) before motorways on Sunday 21 st June 1974 in 90 minutes , still remember that journey....!!!
>> Edited by mikial on Wednesday 18th August 08:31
Later (1972) owned an LHD orange 2.2 (`69) 911 E , pressed , it would wave its front wheels around whilst cornering. Dog legged first took an aquired disciplined change when hurrying but once you were in the "H" pattern for the remaining gears progress was very swift.Mine even had a heated rear screen , first car I ever owned to have one ..........superb.
Drove it to Margate from Balham ( 90 miles) before motorways on Sunday 21 st June 1974 in 90 minutes , still remember that journey....!!!
>> Edited by mikial on Wednesday 18th August 08:31
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