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I am fed up. After years of hassling I finally give in to my son and sell the mustang and buy a porsche. I spent a fair amount of time loking around before choosing a 2002 996 tipwith just 35,000 on the clock and a full main dealer service history. Lovely car in mint condition apart from some slight micro blistering in a couple places. Brand new tyres and a long MoT and bought froma specialist dealer who wouldn't offer a warranty (perhaps I should have walked at that point but it was a good deal on the P ex). Anyway, perfect test drive so deal done. This was about 5 months ago. About 2 weeks after I got it I noticed a clonk from front. Diagnosis - both front coil springs broken and judging by rusty broken ends, broken fora while. Oh well, not too expensive, great deal from my local specialist, cant be bothered to contact dealer. 2 weeks ago main water hose blows out.It has a metal coupling in the middle which takes a tee off somewehere. Car trailered to specialist who replaces hose and carries out a pretty full service. Oil, filters, brake fluid. I pick it up and he asks if it has always had a noisey tappett when hot. Er, no actually it hasn't. Well it has one now. Advised it's just a hydraulic tappet,takeit away and drive it, it might clear. If it stays the same it isn't really an issue - not a loud tap - if it gets worse bring it back. Slight suspicion it is consuming, rather than leaking, coolant so keep checking coolant and review. So I take it for a serious wazz. Coolant level remains constant - phew! So it could be just a tappet. Resolve to get it fixed. Drive to office a few days later and engine management light comes on! Won't reset, slight misfire. I thought porsche were a bit more reliable.So I am fed up
6C4GTS said:
Zacly..tippy city car used around town lots of short journeys left on the street in all weathers.
Buy on condition - assessed by a good PPI - and buy on condition.
He has already bought it...this isn't helping him!Buy on condition - assessed by a good PPI - and buy on condition.
Lets all hope it isn't anything too serious! best of luck with the repair...
I accept the criticisms, but I checked the mileage was accurate. The condition is mint including stuff like pedal rubbers, seats, steering wheel,no overspray so no obvious repairs. Engine bay clean but nottoo cleanAlso, purchased the guide to buying a 996.The hoses all appear in good nick.The rubber bit didn't let go, it blew out of the metal coupling. Are you telling me that an inspection would have revealed that as a problem? Would the inspector have stripped off the plastic undertray? Cos you can't see the hose unless you do. The engine was silent, not tapping hot or cold.
On the subject of mileage, are you suggesting you buy a high miler? Seems counter intuitive. All the guides say go for the lowest miles. Also,shopping trips tend to generate a bit of condensation in the oil filler which causes a mild form of mayonaise, but there was none and it hadn't been wiped clean. Oil was clean too. All levels present and correct and, as I say, perfect service history.
I am "over it" in the sense that I am gonna get it fixed and while they are at it, I have asked the garage to check and replace all hoses and anything else age related. I am also getting the coilpacks loked at.I know they can suffer from old age issues like brittle wiring and stuff. So it will be alright but I thinkI will then flog it. Question is what Ddo you replace it with?
On the subject of mileage, are you suggesting you buy a high miler? Seems counter intuitive. All the guides say go for the lowest miles. Also,shopping trips tend to generate a bit of condensation in the oil filler which causes a mild form of mayonaise, but there was none and it hadn't been wiped clean. Oil was clean too. All levels present and correct and, as I say, perfect service history.
I am "over it" in the sense that I am gonna get it fixed and while they are at it, I have asked the garage to check and replace all hoses and anything else age related. I am also getting the coilpacks loked at.I know they can suffer from old age issues like brittle wiring and stuff. So it will be alright but I thinkI will then flog it. Question is what Ddo you replace it with?
actually I do like the car and I accept that there will always be bits that need doing on a second hand motor. Assuming it is just a noisy tappet(s) and there's nothing more sinister it will be a great car when it's done. Pity they have to remove engine o get to tappets. I guess it may be just a confidence issue. The coil packs will be checked and replaced as necessary. I just went out and the engine light has now gone off. Car is running perfectly, still slight tap from presumably the hydraulic tappet. Interrogating the"check" on the computer gets "no message" so it'ssome bloody typically intermitant electrical fault. Just ordered a diagnostic jobby from amazon out of interest and downloaded all the porsche fault codes so that should be interesting - wife thinks I am becoming an anorak - watch this space
yeah consumer protection fixes dealer with knowledge if it occurs within 6 months. Can't really be arsed with all that litigation. Dealer isn't gonna put his hands up so we'll see. If it is really expensive I might be tempted to take a punt through the small claims court - if less than £5k which I sincerely hope it will be - just on a point of principle but I'd really rather be driving my porsche than sitting in court.
Thanks for the interest
Thanks for the interest
OP, before you spend any money on anything get number 6 cylinder scoped to check it.
Very unlikely to be a tappet if it only does it when hot, well unless the oil that was replaced when it was serviced was of urine consistency, it's more likely to be a bit more involved, sorry to be the bearer but good luck & fingers crossed for you.
Cheers.
Very unlikely to be a tappet if it only does it when hot, well unless the oil that was replaced when it was serviced was of urine consistency, it's more likely to be a bit more involved, sorry to be the bearer but good luck & fingers crossed for you.
Cheers.
L200animal said:
yeah consumer protection fixes dealer with knowledge if it occurs within 6 months. Can't really be arsed with all that litigation. Dealer isn't gonna put his hands up so we'll see. If it is really expensive I might be tempted to take a punt through the small claims court - if less than £5k which I sincerely hope it will be - just on a point of principle but I'd really rather be driving my porsche than sitting in court.
Thanks for the interest
You've already said that the tappet was quiet when you bought the car, and none of the other issues (which are all quite minor and it is a 10 year old car after all) were present then either, so whilst the onus is on the dealer to prove that the faults weren't there when you bought it - he won't need to, as you've done it for him.Thanks for the interest
From what you've described I don't think there's any PPI that could have predicted the issues that you've had would occur - inspectors don't have crystal balls. On that basis, if everything else is OK with the car, you've saved the inspection cost (£350?) which can go towards your repairs, softening the blow.
I find it odd that a lot of buying guides say go for low mileage - I would always say go on condition. Some low mileage cars will be absolute peaches - perhaps those used for decent length weekend drives rather than daily commuters doing low speed in traffic, but likewise so are some high mileage cars - likely those used for long distance motorway journies (I'd much rather buy one of those than a commuter car).
I realise you're a bit hacked off with things at the moment, but consider what else you could get instead that would do everything that your 911 does and there's very very few alternatives. I hope you get it all sorted quickly and get out and enjoy it.
porkyspecialist said:
OP, before you spend any money on anything get number 6 cylinder scoped to check it.
Very unlikely to be a tappet if it only does it when hot, well unless the oil that was replaced when it was serviced was of urine consistency, it's more likely to be a bit more involved, sorry to be the bearer but good luck & fingers crossed for you.
Cheers.
+1 Very unlikely to be a tappet if it only does it when hot, well unless the oil that was replaced when it was serviced was of urine consistency, it's more likely to be a bit more involved, sorry to be the bearer but good luck & fingers crossed for you.
Cheers.
the piston can kiss the cylinder head as it goes over tdc to give a noise like a heavy tappet or light big end. Other symptoms are increased oil consumption, smoking and the passenger exhaust tip being more carboned than the drivers. Cylinders 4, 5 & 6 are prone so get them all scoped before changing tappets.
Sorry to hear your entry into Porsche ownership hasn't been smooth. We often see problems passed onto new owners so you may have inherited these issues but the hose going may have led to a partial split second seizure which has kicked off cylinder issues.
Ring me if you like to chat if you like - quicker than forum chat.
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fesuvious said:
You bought a crap car - get over it - most on here have bought a crap car at some point or another.
Accept that this time around - its you.
Learn from it, simply put - you personally just don't know enough, so next time get an inspection done, even if just by AA or RAC.
Fix it and enjoy - hey (!) - at least she has all new boots,
ETA: You have had at least 3-4 months of good motoring between problems number 1 and 2..... No matter what way you look at it, its 12 years old.........
Nice and helpful, and it ain't twelve years old ,learn from it, simply put- you personally just don't know enough, so get a calculator.Accept that this time around - its you.
Learn from it, simply put - you personally just don't know enough, so next time get an inspection done, even if just by AA or RAC.
Fix it and enjoy - hey (!) - at least she has all new boots,
ETA: You have had at least 3-4 months of good motoring between problems number 1 and 2..... No matter what way you look at it, its 12 years old.........
Edited by Johnfrancis on Saturday 4th August 21:05
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