The scamera saga chapter 404

[sadoksevoli]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3564128.stm

Usual shallow rubbish quoting headline stats and making big assumption that speed cameras are the best and just about only way to tackle accident black spots and dangerous driving...

This is getting pathetic - just like the prison situation (i.e. don't care if prison "works" for criminals, just get them off the streets so build more prisons) - why can't the police just say they need more traffic officers? Or is there really another reason - i.e. cameras are cheaper.

Also if a camera ends up turning a profit, surely it has FAILED in its objective as slapping a fine on a speeding driver is after the fact, and is not publicised so the deterrent factor is limited. I would be happy to see more traffic police (proper ones, not rentacop in a fiesta) because they can ensure safer driving on all fronts, not just speed - for example an amusing game when a passenger or pedestrain around busy roads is how many drivers on mobiule phones you see in the space of five minutes...

[deltaf]

Its not just getting pathetic, itIS pathetic.
Obviously theyre not raking it in as much as they could be, so this the next level in the strategy to drivers over. Money grabbing scum, plain and simple.

Ive said it before, and ill say it again now: If drivers dont get their act together and make one hell of a stink, then theyll soon lose the right to even drive. Its their choice, either sit back and "watch" as they usually do, or get motivated, put themselves out and make a stand against this situation. It IS the only way left open to them.

[Tafia]

deltaf said:

Its not just getting pathetic, itIS pathetic. Obviously theyre not raking it in as much as they could be, so this the next level in the strategy to drivers over. Money grabbing scum, plain and simple. Ive said it before, and ill say it again now: If drivers dont get their act together and make one hell of a stink, then theyll soon lose the right to even drive. Its their choice, either sit back and "watch" as they usually do, or get motivated, put themselves out and make a stand against this situation. It IS the only way left open to them.

Join the ABD. Every little helps.

[d-man]

Does anyone think it will really make any difference? The guidelines are routinely ignored in the SCP's quest for cash anyway and if you do get caught the camera being in breach of the guidelines is no defence anyway.
Its always nice to see Brunstrom have to admit that his beloved policy is doing nothing for road safety though.

[mandat]

Richard Brunstrom said:

"We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere."

What complete bollocks!

Of course deaths are not going down, because the vast majority of fatal collisions are not caused by simply exeeding the posted speed limit.

The sooner we stop this fixation with speed and cameras and start deailing with the real root causes of accidents, the sooner we may see a reduction in the number of people killed on the roads.

[mybrainhurts]

From Supanet news........

Police will now have more authority to introduce cameras in areas where a particular safety concern has not yet been realised.

............eh?

[Flat in Fifth]

Surely all this altering the rules to allow a 20km radius is the result of.....

Stirrings within the population possible votes lost.
Opposition promises a review.
Govt thinks good idea better have a review.
Govt announces review result that all sites are positioned according to the rules.
Population says ballocks, what about this, what about that....
Stirrings continue, cost for Govt tissues increases due to massive egg wiping off face scenarios.
I know, thinks the Govt, we'll announce a change to the rules when everyone is watching the Olympics, first day of new footy season, peak holiday time. (As in bury bad news on 9/11)
Next step announce all sites match the NEW rules, you wait!

Numpties, if you can put a camera within 20km of a site almost the whole of the country is covered. OK some areas in Scotland possibly not, but it would be interesting to see how right I am. Of course all sites will be within the rules.

Personally can't wait for election time, I'm gonna make sure the door step campaigners end up in tears.

Still maintain its time for the Common Sense Party.

[supraman2954]

Richard Brunstrom said:

"We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere."

.....Maybe he is beginning to understand 'regression to mean'?

[TripleS]

mandat said:

Richard Brunstrom said: "We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere." What complete bollocks! Of course deaths are not going down, because the vast majority of fatal collisions are not caused by simply exeeding the posted speed limit. The sooner we stop this fixation with speed and cameras and start deailing with the real root causes of accidents, the sooner we may see a reduction in the number of people killed on the roads.

Complete agreement.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[Peter Ward]

Richard Brunstrom said:

"We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere."

If anyone could see it, this is a huge admission of failure. Accidents happen at all sorts of places for random reasons and at random times. Cameras are installed where there's been a spate of accidents but that's just random except for specfic blackspots. No wonder cameras have so little impact.

So there are 2 ways out. Accept that you can't reduce accidents in any meaningful way by placing cameras at essentially random points in the road network. Or install more cameras until the whole road network is covered. Guess what Mr Brunpillock thinks is the way forward?

[sadoksevoli]

Peter Ward said:

So there are 2 ways out. Accept that you can't reduce accidents in any meaningful way by placing cameras at essentially random points in the road network. Or install more cameras until the whole road network is covered. Guess what Mr Brunpillock thinks is the way forward?

Ah yes - what we must remember always is that our New Labour masters are the worst recidivists of the lot - they use procedure and smoke'n'mirrors to cover the fact that your average socialist/marxist in government nowadays does not believe in freedom for the masses but state control of every aspect of our lives - come to think of it the cameras debate just diverts all our attention away from what Blunkett and his EU mates are really doing behind the scenes - getting the spy-in-the-sky paid for - the EU Galileo "Sat-Nav" system will make speed cameras redundant, especially when the EU forces car manufacturers to include trackers in all cars.

Now I see why those relgious nuts hole themselves up in the backwoods in hte USA waiting for the "feds"...

[mybrainhurts]

supraman2954 said:

Richard Brunstrom said: "We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere." .....Maybe he is beginning to understand 'regression to mean'?

Understand? Dicky Bluntstropp? Don't make me laugh.........

[deltaf]

Yes, the patient is dying from rabies....give him some more aspirin.

[Tafia]

sadoksevoli said:

Ah yes - what we must remember always is that our New Labour masters are the worst recidivists of the lot - they use procedure and smoke'n'mirrors to cover the fact that your average socialist/marxist in government nowadays does not believe in freedom for the masses but state control of every aspect of our lives

So true.

I was watching a TV prog on the criminal rich list and asked my dear wife, "Who has taken the biggest amount of cash from the public, all those crims combined or Gordon Brown?"

Well, with £35 billion removed so far from pension funds alone, our Gordon is in the lead by a country mile.

[mybrainhurts]

Tafia said:

I was watching a TV prog on the criminal rich list and asked my dear wife, "Who has taken the biggest amount of cash from the public, all those crims combined or Gordon Brown?" Well, with £35 billion removed so far from pension funds alone, our Gordon is in the lead by a country mile.

Yes, I used to reclaim £ hundreds of thousands of tax each quarter for a pension fund.

I predicted then that it would kill the funds.

I cannot understand how he got away with it and I cannot understand why nobody kicked up a bloody great stink about it.

[Streetcop]

Vote Conservative at the next elections..

Thank you...

Street

[sadoksevoli]

Streetcop said:

Vote Conservative at the next elections.. Thank you... Street

Agree only in that they are the only alternative - vote them to get the current lot out... sound familiar?

The one policy you can nail them down on is reducing speed cameras...only I don't think they've got the b@lls to stand up to the moral blackmail by the safety at all costs crusaders.

Declaration of Interest: Former Tory party member - membership lapsed this year.